PSA Re-Submission Advice Requested

[Gr8Beldini]

Hi. I have a few cards that were returned graded lower than expected. I know it happens to all of us. I plan on re-submitting a few of them. My question: From your experience, is it better to crack the slabs open and submit raw? ...or is it better to leave them slabbed and resubmit as-is. Any input would be appreciated.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Gr8Beldini

Hi. I have a few cards that were returned graded lower than expected. I know it happens to all of us. I plan on re-submitting a few of them. My question: From your experience, is it better to crack the slabs open and submit raw? ...or is it better to leave them slabbed and resubmit as-is. Any input would be appreciated.

Crack them out. The last time I didn't it took 3 submissions and they still never got the card labeled correctly and charged me each time for getting it wrong.

[raulus]

My sense is that you’re better off cracking and resubmitting. Probably the only exception is if the item is crazy valuable and might receive a lower grade, or if it might be damaged during the process.

The general idea is that if you just send it back in the case, they’re unlikely to really seriously consider it. “Yep - we were right when we looked at it last year. Thanks for paying us to look at it again!” This seems like their likely response if you don’t crack it out.

If you do crack it out, then in theory they’ve got to start from scratch and really consider the grade that it should receive. There are varying opinions about just how much time and effort they put into that process. But at least it forces them to actually work through the entire process without the preconceptions that come from an item that is already graded.

The only time that I’ve not cracked out an item was when I was crossing it over from SGC. It went from a SGC 6 to a PSA 5, but if PSA had some serious concerns about the item, I didn’t want to take the risk of cracking it out first, both because it was so rare, and because I was paranoid that they might struggle to identify or authenticate it without the SGC slab.

And a card, the one that I submitted without cracking it out.

[DieMaus]

Originally Posted by Gr8Beldini

Hi. I have a few cards that were returned graded lower than expected. I know it happens to all of us. I plan on re-submitting a few of them. My question: From your experience, is it better to crack the slabs open and submit raw? ...or is it better to leave them slabbed and resubmit as-is. Any input would be appreciated.

I’m kind of new, so I apologize if my response lacks the experience of more seasoned collectors, but your request has sparked some curiosity and confusion on my part. It seems like you have doubts about the grading process and the integrity of the grading company, yet you're considering investing more time, money, and taking on additional risks to resubmit the cards. This raises the question of what the purpose of submitting cards for grading is if you don't have trust in the initial grade or the service.

While grading is subjective to some extent, and it's understandable that there can be discrepancies in the assessments, it's crucial to remember that grading aims to provide a standardized measure of a card's condition and establish a common language for collectors and investors. However, if you feel that the grading company you used is unreliable or didn't meet your expectations, perhaps exploring other grading companies with a more reputable track record could be an alternative worth considering. It might offer you a greater sense of confidence in the grading process?

It’s up to you if you’re willing to trust any tpg, but if you’re going to grade, it should be logical to put your time and money into something you can more or less trust?


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[steve B]

Originally Posted by DieMaus

I’m kind of new, so I apologize if my response lacks the experience of more seasoned collectors, but your request has sparked some curiosity and confusion on my part. It seems like you have doubts about the grading process and the integrity of the grading company, yet you're considering investing more time, money, and taking on additional risks to resubmit the cards. This raises the question of what the purpose of submitting cards for grading is if you don't have trust in the initial grade or the service.

While grading is subjective to some extent, and it's understandable that there can be discrepancies in the assessments, it's crucial to remember that grading aims to provide a standardized measure of a card's condition and establish a common language for collectors and investors. However, if you feel that the grading company you used is unreliable or didn't meet your expectations, perhaps exploring other grading companies with a more reputable track record could be an alternative worth considering. It might offer you a greater sense of confidence in the grading process?

It’s up to you if you’re willing to trust any tpg, but if you’re going to grade, it should be logical to put your time and money into something you can more or less trust?


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For many of us this is the riddle of grading.
We sometimes disagree on the grade, but generally trust the grading company.
Sort of...
We trust them to get the cards back to us graded hopefully mostly right.
But not necessarily to review a grade we don't agree with since it's easy to just glance at it and say "yep, still a 5" pack it back up and return it.

I may change some habits, but I'm not someone who flips cards.
But if you do, some hobby cash can be made buying nice cards and grading them. But if the grade is too low, the added price for the grade may not even cover the grading fees. and the difference between a 7 and an 8 could be where that happens. The jump between 8 and 9 is often a big one, and a 10 can be amazing. It's a tough game.

I did have a couple I wondered about with SGC, T206s that looked much better than the grade they got. I asked when they were doing on sie grading, and they did a quick and free review.
On one, it had a small erasure on the back that I had never spotted in 30+ years. The other had a very slight wrinkle in the border about halfway up the left side plus a couple other really minor things that added together made it a couple grades lower than I had thought.
So as it turned out, they weren't wrong.

[GasHouseGang]

If it's going from an SGC slab to PSA for grading I would definitely crack it out before submitting it. I feel it helps to keep PSA from being biased about what the grade should be.
I am curious though about resubmitting a card to PSA. I thought they claimed they scanned each card and could now tell if a card had already been submitted even if cracked out, through the use of some advanced software. Is that true or just urban legend?

[pclpads]

Unless you are foolish, or stinking rich, save your money. This gambit is simply a money-maker for PSA. Be satisfied with the grades you got. If not, buy a replacement in the grade you seek. Less costly! My neg. exp: several years ago, I had an Aaron RC in PSA 5. I thot it was nicer. So I cracked and re-subbed. To my horror, it came back as "Authentic - trimmed." This was the last time I got sucked into their little game.

[MikeGarcia]

Originally Posted by pclpads

Unless you are foolish, or stinking rich, save your money. This gambit is simply a money-maker for PSA. Be satisfied with the grades you got. If not, buy a replacement in the grade you seek. Less costly! My neg. exp: several years ago, I had an Aaron RC in PSA 5. I thought it was nicer. So I cracked and re-subbed. To my horror, it came back as "Authentic - trimmed." This was the last time I got sucked into their little game.

.. Can you please finish this saga ?? Inquiring minds want to know " okay then what " .. For my part I once cracked and re-submitted twice a one-owner 1957 Topps Ernie Banks until it finally came back as a PSA 8 , which it truly was. Thanks

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[pclpads]

I sold it to an N54 member looking for a clean Aaron RC for him to sign. This was after I got it back from PSA in a CS1 marked, "Authentic." Hope he was successful, since HA has stopped doing any more signings. LOL!

[Facilitypro]

Def. crack and re sub.

Some graders are easier on cards than others.

I've resubbed some '58 topps after cracking them, and one even went from a 5 to an 8...several others got one grade higher.

[pclpads]

This isn't like judge shopping, where you have an idea what the jurist will decide based on past decisions and cautiously proceed from there. TPG'ers are like the Great Oz, hidden behind the curtain. You have no idea who they are and who will be evaling your card(s.) Re-subbing is literally blindly stabbing at a pig in a poke and hoping for a more favorable grade. As I stated above, it is a practice for the foolish or stinking rich.