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Posted By: JimCrandell
Looks like the dream is becoming a reality. |
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Posted By: Andrew
It says that "graded" cards will be looked over and the sticker placed onto the holder, doesn't this still mean someone can crack the case and put in an altered card? Just my opinion. But it is a good idea if you plan on keeping the cards in your collection. |
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Posted By: keyway
Why is this service needed. Another middleman. Pretty soon the gradind will cost more than the card. What a waste of money. |
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Posted By: Paul
Jim |
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Posted By: keyway
All my cards go to SGC. I have total trust in thier grading. Why do I know need them looked at again? |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
For only $50 extra you can send your Kevin certified slabs to www.AlteredCardsWithKevinStickers.com and I will authenticate the sticker. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
There is no downside to another set of eyes examining a card, but it's unclear if this will catch on. |
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Posted By: Paul
......and for the record, my dream involves fishing on a deserted tropical beach accompanied by a pair of rather attractive actress/models mixing my Bombay Sapphire gin and tonics. |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Paul!!! |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Jim, where the hell were you when I sold my 33 Goudey #144 Ruth 8? |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
For expensive cards this means that I would buy them from dealers who carry an extensive inventory like Steve Novella, Kris Keppler, Peter Lalos and perhaps Larry Mayer who would have no qualms about mailing an expensive card to Kevin and have him look at it first. |
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Posted By: Brian
I agree Jim. Its much better for everyone, if you can buy a card without others knowing about it or being able to bid on it. I am sure dealers will make more profits by not taking advantage of an open market. Its a dream come true for everyone. |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Brian, |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Why do we need a change from the auction business? It's a very workable business model. |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Barry, |
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Posted By: barrysloate
No, I don't. Fair point. |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Barry, |
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Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Jim, I think it's totally cool that you want Kevin's eye on any card you buy. Nothing wrong with wanting someone you trust to look at something before you buy it - with certain card issues I'm unfamiliar with, I'll ask someone I think is an expert if I feel uncomfortable with a card. If you're comfortable with Kevin's eye, more power to you (Just let me know which ones you won't be bidding on; it'll be nice to know which items I don't have to bid on against you). |
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Posted By: Anonymous
Of course I respond to you Jim! There's absolutely no reason I shouldn't. The trouble is that I post to a thread, you probably respond, and I never show up again as I've forgotten either which thread I posted to, or it was one of my infamous cheap shots at whatever the subject was at hand where I've made my statement and moved on. It's a hit and run style developed and mastered at CU. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Jim- to continue Al's point, let's take a hypothetical: |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Al, |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Barry, |
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Posted By: Brian Weisner
I'm sorry, but I'am bored.....If you can't tell, than I don't care. Buyer beware. I'f you collect vintage cards then learn about the issues, if not collect somthing else............ Be well Brian |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
I'd like to know where the evidence is that all these altered cards are getting past the graders. Can someone even point out one $5,000+ card in a holder that is altered? |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Paul, |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Jim- one thing I do agree with (well maybe more than one thing) is that the possibility collectors will eventually be disillusioned by the grading services does exist. |
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Barry, |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
Can someone point out a $5000+ altered card that made it past the graders at PSA or SGC? I mean besides the PSA8 Wagner. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Dan- I have none to show...but I know of some that do exist. Unfortunately, confidentiality does not allow me to discuss them further. |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
So basically it's a HUGE problem in our hobby, but nobody wants to step up with the evidence? |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Huge might be an exaggeration, but it does exist. |
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Posted By: Kevin Saucier
Before this gets out of hand, there is no need to make it a controversial issue. There is no business venture yet, just a statement that it may someday be offered for those who want it. That portion is still work in progress and may or may not ever come to fruition. |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Kevin, |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
There is a paper conservator in Omaha that I saw on a local PBS show that aired right after Antiques Roadshow a couple of weeks ago that removed vintage ink from an old photo just by dropping some unnamed chemical onto the ink...it just flat out disappeared. I could imagine that someone with that knowledge and talent could do some real damage in this hobby. |
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Posted By: Larry
The first time I ever read one of the "detecting alteration" threads, it was pretty obvious the threads were a vehicle for substantiating the need for such a venture and startup was just a heartbeat away. |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
If you're looking at your cards with electron microscopes and blacklights you're not having enough fun. |
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Posted By: Frank Evanov
I'm sorry for my approach, but in my profession one needs credentials to make judgements on something. What documented qualifications does the head of this soon to arrive service have? What professional grading training has he done? Where has he spent time learning about authentication and alterations from experts? |
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Posted By: Anonymous
Jim, |
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Posted By: Bottom of the Ninth
Some random and unorganized thoughts... |
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Jim, |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
"One man and the truth is a majority." |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
"It is very common for dealeers to break out cards to resubmit hoping for a bump in grade.....and they end up with a card that will never grade again. The phenomena is very common." |
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Posted By: Rick McQuillan
Jim, I see another potential problem with this. You will return the card to the dealer and not tell anyone else about the potential problem. Then what will the dealer do with this card? Probably resell it to someone else with no mention that it was returned because of probable alteration. The dealer will want to protect his/her investment. It would be nice if there was a way to either take the altered card out of circulation or slab/or label it as altered. With some of the cards, Kevin will feel "uncomfortable" with them, but with others Kevin will be positive that they are altered and someone else will end up purchasing them. If they are raw, then it is buyer beware, but if they are graded by PSA or SGC there should be a mechanism in place to remedy the situation. |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Rick, |
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Posted By: Steve Murray
Let's move this discussion to MikeU's thread. Looks like things may heat up there. |
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Posted By: leon
Since this is the identical thread going already lets lock this one. There seems to be plenty of discussion going on.....don't be bashful (instigator)!! regards |
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