T206 pencil marks

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Posted By: Rob Fouch

I recently won a small lot of 21 T206 cards in varying conditions. A couple of pretty nice ones were in the mix (at least by my standards), including a Chesbro that would probably be in the psa 4 or possibly 5 range if not for a small number written in fairly light pencil on the back.

I have two questions:

1. If I go ahead and get it graded with the pencil mark, how far will the grade fall? Will it knock it all the way to a 2 or 1?

2. I remember a thread recently about removing pencil marks, but couldn't find it. What's the best way to do it if the marks are light and haven't left an indentation? I remember someone specifically mentioning a type of eraser to use.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
Rob

btw, I started a few months ago collecting T206's and surpassed the 50-card mark with that recent purchase. 10 percent of the set down!

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Posted By: T206Collector

...and speak with a clerk. There are certain kinds of erasers out there that do not overly disturb the paper. I believe they are the gray gummy ones. Stay away from the hard pink ones, like on the backs of pencils. Those do more damage to paper. I would practice on pencil marks on your own first before putting eraser to card.

My PSA 4 (MK) T206 Chance was crossed over into an SGC 40/3 holder with an erasure on the back. In addition, I have an SGC 40 southern leaguer with an erasure on the back. I think the SGC rule is nothing higher than a VG is possible with an erasure.

Here's some ideas:

http://www.dickblick.com/categories/erasers/#charcoalerasers

This one sounds particularly good (but I've never used it):

http://www.dickblick.com/zz210/08/

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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)

You can have it graded by PSA with and without qualifiers. If you have it with qualifiers then you can probably expect at least one to two grades lower than your prediction (if it is the same as PSA standards). If you have the MK (mark) qualifier then it will come back (as you stated) a 4 or 5 with the MK qualifier.

If you go to SGC then you will definitely have to deal with the lower grade because they do not offer qualifiers.

You might consider trying to erase the pencil marks if they are truly very light and the pencil did not leave an indention in the paper. If there is an indention then it will be downgraded to reflect the defect (if caught).

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Posted By: warshawlaw

called an "artgum". That is probably what you are referencing. They are brown, very crumbly. Most erasers remove layers of paper to eradicate the line. Artgums pick up the pigment as they fall apart rather than wearing down the paper.

Please note that even if the card erases nicely, it is illegal in many states to sell the card without disclosing that it has been altered. The fact that a slabber misses an alteration points merely to the slabber's incompetence.

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Posted By: Nick

BVG will give a card with significant pen marks on the back as high as a 3 grade - I have a '40s minor league card with a surface subgrade of a 2 and an overall 3.

PSA will not reject a card for slabbing for erasure of marks - if they detect that something was written on the card and then removed, the card will still get a (MK) qualifier.

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Posted By: Peter Thomas

is what we use to use to erase our drawings. They were bags made of a soft porus cotten with grated erasers and pounce inside. By softly rubing them over paper or linen surfaces you could clean and erase drawings very well without disturbing the tooth of the material that we were drawing on. Of course now we do all of our drawing on computers and they are not necessary, but missed by me at least. I still have some of these bags and you can still buy them. They work very well on the backs of cards. I don't mind writting or stamps on the backs of cards. I feel that owner's signatures nicely written on the backs of blank back cards such as zeenut can add some interest to the card. Childrens scribbling is a nother matter.