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Old 07-03-2014, 12:23 PM
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Default 1888 S. F. Hess (N321) card controversy ends....it's FREE, at last it's FREE of TPG

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Sorry Ted, but it is a pet peeve of mine.

This is an N321 what you showed has been referred to as a N321 Proof, or paper thin, or Type 3

N321 -V -------------------------------N321 proof -V


Hey Dan

Last October on this forum, you identified the difference between the regular issue N321 cards and their proofs.

While at SGC recently, I showed them my Smith; and, passed your info. to them. They appreciated this....and, modified the label on my card (proof).



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Just thought you would like to know this.


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Old 07-03-2014, 12:53 PM
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Ted... The version you have (Type 2) is most likely cut down from an advertising sheet, as there is no printing along the bottom margin... The 'proofs' (for lack of a better term) more closely resemble the insert cards (Type 1) as illustrated on Borchers. The difference is the paper stock. Type 1's are similar to E-120 / E-121 while the Type 3 "proofs" are more similar to Cracker Jack / Mello Mints. To my knowledge only one group (appx 31 different) has entered the hobby, originating from a very large find of paper ephemera which was originally collected in San Francisco between the 1880's and the 1910's. This collection entered the hobby back in the late 70's. The last time I saw them Terry Knouse was offering them for sale.
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Old 07-03-2014, 01:47 PM
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I agree with Mark. The "proofs" you refer to were just trimmed from a poster. They have some value, but much less than an issued card.
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i would say the value is debatable as the scarcity is somewhat of an equalizer..but I also agree that they are not "proofs."
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Pete--supply is only one side of the equation. What is trimmed off a poster is less valuable than actually issued cards.
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Pete--supply is only one side of the equation. What is trimmed off a poster is less valuable than actually issued cards.
I can definitively argue that the demand side of the equation is more important than the supply side in determining value. And no doubt most, if not all, poster cuts are less valuable than cards, in my experience (too).
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I can definitively argue that the demand side of the equation is more important than the supply side in determining value. And no doubt most, if not all, poster cuts are less valuable than cards, in my experience (too).
I agree...but perhaps not forever.
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Old 08-04-2014, 12:02 PM
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OK guys......after several iterations, SGC got it correct on my S. F. Hess J. Smith card............



1st label








2nd label Proof (incorrect)






Final label Type 2 (correct)






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Old 08-04-2014, 12:26 PM
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If type 2 means trimmed off a poster they got it right. I don't believe that these should be slabbed at all, not with an A and certainly not with a numerical grade. Are there any other items trimmed off a poster that get slabbed?
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Old Judge mini's if I'm not mistaken were trimmed from posters.

I've seen a lot of Buchner's trimmed from posters that have been slabbed.

Have also seen some Cracker Jacks that were trimmed from a poster slabbed.
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