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Old 05-21-2017, 06:10 AM
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Worst or Least Deserving Baseball Hall-of-Famers* - IMHO

*-those elected primarily based on their MLB record as a player.

in no particular order -after the first one anyway:

Tommy McCarthy
Rick Ferrell
Jesse Haines
Fred Lindstrom
Jim Bunning
Don Drysdale
Rube Marquard
Eppa Rixey
Jack Chesbro
Ed Walsh
Lloyd Waner
Victor Willis
Joe Gordon
Chuck Klein
Phil Rizzuto
Peewee Reese
Ray Schalk
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and, to be sure...Tinker to Evers to Chance.



Also IMHO, Minnie Minoso and Luis Tiant, Jr. were better than any of these.

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Old 05-21-2017, 06:40 AM
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Not sure how comparing him statistically to the QB's YOU mentioned in a statistical comparison is a strawman, but OK.
Of the guys you listed, adjusted net yards per attempt, Namath is 3rd behind Tark and Griese. Yards per catch, Namath is 2nd behind only Lamonica. The season he threw for 4k yards, he led the league in yards per attempt. He set the record because he was the best, not because he threw a lot.

Namath threw a lot of incompletions because he was the best at avoiding sacks. Of all the top quarterbacks of his era, Namath had the lowest sack rate. Throwing an incompletion is far better than taking a sack. I would suggest you actually Google some articles on Namath since you obviously didn't see him play. He was one of the best quarterbacks of his era when healthy and that is why he is in the hof.
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Old 05-21-2017, 09:31 AM
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Of the guys you listed, adjusted net yards per attempt, Namath is 3rd behind Tark and Griese. Yards per catch, Namath is 2nd behind only Lamonica. The season he threw for 4k yards, he led the league in yards per attempt. He set the record because he was the best, not because he threw a lot.

Namath threw a lot of incompletions because he was the best at avoiding sacks. Of all the top quarterbacks of his era, Namath had the lowest sack rate. Throwing an incompletion is far better than taking a sack. I would suggest you actually Google some articles on Namath since you obviously didn't see him play. He was one of the best quarterbacks of his era when healthy and that is why he is in the hof.
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Worst or Least Deserving Baseball Hall-of-Famers* - IMHO

*-those elected primarily based on their MLB record as a player.

in no particular order -after the first one anyway:

Tommy McCarthy
Rick Ferrell
Jesse Haines
Fred Lindstrom
Jim Bunning
Don Drysdale
Rube Marquard
Eppa Rixey
Jack Chesbro
Ed Walsh
Lloyd Waner
Victor Willis
Joe Gordon
Chuck Klein
Phil Rizzuto
Peewee Reese
Ray Schalk
...
and, to be sure...Tinker to Evers to Chance.



Also IMHO, Minnie Minoso and Luis Tiant, Jr. were better than any of these.

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Have to take issue with Pee Wee being on this list. Most people allow for wartime adjustments, but even with losing 3 PRIME years to WWII (age 24 - 26) he had a WAR of 66. In all likelihood that would be at least 84 with those three years back. He had a 5.7 the year before the war and a 6 the year back from the war so his war WAR should be in that range, possibly better.

Most guys at 66 WAR are in the HOF, at 84 you're a shoo-in. other numbers adjusted conservatively for those three missing years:

Runs 1580
Hits 2620
2b 390
3b 100
hr 138
rbi 1150

Those are HOF raw numbers to me for a shortstop even if he wasn't considered a superior fielder (which he was) if you prefer raw numbers.

I do agree that TIant is far superior to a number of enshrined pitches, as are Jim Kaat and Tommy John, that doesn't necessarily mean I think they belong either though.
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Worst or Least Deserving Baseball Hall-of-Famers* - IMHO

*-those elected primarily based on their MLB record as a player.

in no particular order -after the first one anyway:

Tommy McCarthy
Rick Ferrell
Jesse Haines
Fred Lindstrom
Jim Bunning
Don Drysdale
Rube Marquard
Eppa Rixey
Jack Chesbro
Ed Walsh
Lloyd Waner
Victor Willis
Joe Gordon
Chuck Klein
Phil Rizzuto
Peewee Reese
Ray Schalk
...
and, to be sure...Tinker to Evers to Chance.



Also IMHO, Minnie Minoso and Luis Tiant, Jr. were better than any of these.

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It's a travesty that Minnie Minoso is not in the Hall of Fame.

It just boggles the mind how the HOF let this happen.
http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/news...f1utvju92wsadk
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...e-hall-of-fame
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Namath is STILL pretty amazing.

I saw a show where he visited the Jets camp. He watched some practice scrimmage, and one young QB was doing pretty badly. After checking with the coach Namath took the kid aside and told him something about how his feet were in the wrong position and moving too much and that was why he wasn't throwing hard enough or accurately enough to avoid the defense. The sent one of the recievers out. Reciever goes out like 10-15 yards, and Namath tells him "no, go OUT...I can still throw" and drops a pass right in his hands maybe 40 yards out. In street clothes, dress shoes, and at probably around 70 years old.

Kid tries it, lots of instant improvement. Gets back into practice, goes a few downs, gets sloppy again. Gets called over for a refresher by Namath and seems to either not get it or have excuses. Namath shrugs says some thing like well, it's your career, and walks away. The coach didn't look too happy with the new guy.

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Whitey Herzog, why him? One title.

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Have no clue how guys like Namath and Ripken are even being mentioned... Overrated? Sure but definitely HOF caliber.

How are people not talking about Roger Bresnahan?
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Worst or Least Deserving Baseball Hall-of-Famers* - IMHO

*-those elected primarily based on their MLB record as a player.

in no particular order -after the first one anyway:

Tommy McCarthy
Rick Ferrell
Jesse Haines
Fred Lindstrom
Jim Bunning
Don Drysdale
Rube Marquard
Eppa Rixey
Jack Chesbro
Ed Walsh
Lloyd Waner
Victor Willis
Joe Gordon
Chuck Klein
Phil Rizzuto
Peewee Reese
Ray Schalk
...
and, to be sure...Tinker to Evers to Chance.



Also IMHO, Minnie Minoso and Luis Tiant, Jr. were better than any of these.

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What about Enos Slaughter.
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Old 05-22-2017, 06:35 PM
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Enos had a career OPS+ of 124 and WAR of 55.3. Not exactly HOF-caliber but far, far from the worst in the HOF.

Of the names mentioned so far, at least for baseball, is either Ray Schalk (career OPS+ of 83) or Phil Rizzuto are the worst. Rizzuto stole an MVP in 1950 and, other than that, basically did nothing his whole career. Schalk did less than that.
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