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Default Curious Case of Ames and Dougherty

I'm pretty sure that Chris has done this analysis, but I took a stab at it as well. Note that several cards in the 460 series that are expected, but not confirmed. There could be some that are not expected, that do exist (the Ames SC460-42 is one that appeared recently).

When looking at the 460 Series of 109 subjects (American Beauty, Broad Leaf, Cycle, Piedmont 25/42, Sovereign, Sweet Cap 25/30/42/42OP, Yellow Brown) you can break them down into smaller groups:

Superprints (6), which appear in all the 460 series (including YB) except AB460:
  • Chance, Frank (Portrait - Yellow)
  • Chase, Hal (Portrait - Blue)
  • Chase, Hal (Black Cap)
  • Cobb, Ty (Portrait - Red)
  • Evers, Johnny (Chicago On Shirt-Yellow Sky)
  • Mathewson, Christy (Dark Cap)

Remaining non-AB460 (27), don't appear in AB460, S460 or SC460-30. I'm not grouping in Dougherty (no Yellow Brown):
  • Baker, Frank
  • Bender, Chief (No Trees)
  • Brown, Mordecai (Chicago On Shirt)
  • Davis, Harry (Davis On Front)
  • Donlin, Mike (With Bat)
  • Doolan, Mickey (Batting)
  • Downey, Tom (Batting)
  • Doyle, Larry (With Bat)
  • Elberfeld, Kid (Fielding)
  • Griffith, Clark (Batting)
  • Johnson, Walter (Glove At Chest)
  • Joss, Addie (Hands At Chest)
  • Kleinow, Red (Boston - Catching)
  • Konetchy, Ed (Glove Near Ground)
  • Magee, Sherry (With Bat)
  • McIntyre, Harry (Brooklyn & Chicago)
  • Murphy, Danny (Batting)
  • O'Leary, Charley (Hands On Knees)
  • Reulbach, Ed (No Glove Showing)
  • Rucker, Nap (Throwing)
  • Seymour, Cy (Throwing)
  • Snodgrass, Fred (Catching)
  • Stahl, Jake (Glove Shows)
  • Street, Gabby (Catching)
  • Sweeney, Jeff
  • Willis, Vic (Throwing)
  • Young, Cy (With Glove)

Then we get to the groups that are in AB460...

Exclusive Twelve (12), which do appear in AB460, but not in BL460, P460-25, SC460-25 or YB:
  • Crandall, Doc (Portrait With Cap)
  • DeVore, Josh
  • Duffy, Hugh
  • Ford, Russ
  • Gandil, Chick
  • Geyer, Rube
  • Hummel, John
  • McGraw, John (Glove At Hip)
  • Pfeffer, Francis
  • Sheckard, Jimmy (Glove Showing)
  • Tannehill, Lee (Tannehill On Front)
  • Wheat, Zack

Then we have the Sovereign group (34):
Group A (21) - not in P42
  • Abbaticchio, Ed (Blue Sleeves)
  • Ball, Neal (Cleveland)
  • Bell, George (Follow Thru)
  • Bescher, Bob (Hands In Air)
  • Bridwell, Al (Portrait - With Cap)
  • Camnitz, Howie (Arm At Side)
  • Camnitz, Howie (Hands Above Head)
  • Doyle, Larry (Portrait)
  • Frill, John
  • Herzog, Buck (Boston)
  • Howell, Harry (Hand At Waist)
  • Lake, Joe (St. Louis - Ball In Hand)
  • McGraw, John (Portrait - With Cap)
  • Meyers, Chief
  • Needham, Tom
  • Oldring, Rube (Batting)
  • Payne, Fred
  • Schulte, Wildfire (Back View)
  • Smith, Happy
  • Stovall, George (Batting)
  • Tinker, Joe (Bat On Shoulder)
Group B (13) - In P42
  • Bergen, Bill (Catching)
  • Chance, Frank (Batting)
  • Chase, Hal (Holding Trophy)
  • Latham, Arlie
  • Marquard, Rube (Pitching)
  • Merkle, Fred (Throwing)
  • Murray, Red (Portrait)
  • Overall, Orval (Hands Waist Level)
  • Schaefer, Germany (Washington)
  • Schlei, Admiral (Batting)
  • Schlei, Admiral (Portrait)
  • Seymour, Cy (Portrait)
  • Wiltse, Hooks (Portrait - With Cap)

Then the Piedmont 42, non-Sovereign group (28):
  • Berger, Heinie
  • Bradley, Bill (With Bat)
  • Burch, Al (Fielding)
  • Cobb, Ty (Bat Off Shoulder)
  • Conroy, Wid (With Bat)
  • Crawford, Sam (With Bat)
  • Jennings, Hughie (One Hand Showing)
  • Jennings, Hughie (Two Hands Showing)
  • Jordan, Tim (Batting)
  • Lajoie, Nap (With Bat)
  • Lake, Joe (St. Louis - No Ball)
  • Leach, Tommy (Bending Over)
  • Leifield, Lefty (Batting)
  • Manning, Rube (Pitching)
  • McQuillan, George (With Bat)
  • Mullin, George (With Bat)
  • Overall, Orval (Hand At Face Level)
  • Pelty, Barney (Vertical)*
  • Pfeister, Jake (Throwing)
  • Smith, Frank (Chicago & Boston)
  • Steinfeldt, Harry (With Bat)
  • Tinker, Joe (Bat Off Shoulder)
  • Wagner, Heinie (Bat On Right Shoulder)
  • White, Doc (Pitching)
  • Wilhelm, Kaiser (With Bat)
  • Willetts, Ed
  • Willis, Vic (Batting)
  • Wiltse, Hooks (Pitching)

And then there is Ames and Dougherty. They both appear in: Cycle 460, EPDG, Lennox Black, Old Mill, P350, P460-25, P460-42, PB, S350AG, SC350-25, SC350-30, SC460-25, SC460-42, and SC460-42OP

Ames also has: AB460, Uzit, Yellow Brown
Dougherty also has: BL460, Red Hindu

The original thought I had as I have been putting together the SC460-42 subset was that Ames and Dougherty were short printed, but within the same press runs (and sheets) and perhaps there are some undiscovered cards. But I would guess that Chris' notion that they were swapped out for each other at some point during press runs is a more probable explanation.

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