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Old 08-29-2017, 04:04 PM
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Default Beckett to PSA Crossover (graded to trimmed!?)

How often does this happen? Picked up a Namath RC that was graded by beckett. It was a screamer but oc. The sub grades were 3, 8, 8.5, 8.5 - 4.5 overall grade due to centering being so low. Figured I'd crack it out and send to PSA. Still have the tag and image of it in the holder. After 8 days for a 5 day express submission, I get the news that there is evidence of trimming. Ouch.

Would love to hear from others on this. Similar experiences? What would you do next?

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Old 08-29-2017, 04:17 PM
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Sorry for your experience. It is what I have experienced almost every time I have broken out a BVG slab. I just assume every BVG card is altered and pass unless I know who submitted it and the circumstances behind the submission.
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Old 08-29-2017, 04:34 PM
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Ugh.
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Old 08-29-2017, 04:35 PM
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Beckett was not nearly as good at detecting trimming back when they had subgrades on their vintage cards. Crack at your own risk. You now have a nice raw card. Nobody to blame because you can't return the card in the same condition you purchased it in.

Beckett still grades "sheet cut" and "undersized" cards like the 1979 Wayne Gretzky's and 1993 UD SP Derek Jeters. Be very careful cracking out BGS/BVG cards in the future.
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They have also slabbed a lot of Star BKB cards that just look hideously short to me, and I have seen lots of comments about same online. Is the issue with Jeters that they are trimmed?
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Tried one, 59 fleer

Was bvg 8, psa said trimmed

Upon inspection, it was sheet cut
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Lesson to be learned if you want a card in a psa holder, then buy the card in a psa holder. You will end up with a lot less problems and headaches in the end.
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This seems to be far too normal a practice and is why I really do not like BGS/BVG grading. Yes PSA misses some alterations as does SGC but they miss far fewer percentage wise then Beckett seems to miss. They seem to be good with counterfeits but alterations are another matter completely.
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This seems to be far too normal a practice and is why I really do not like BGS/BVG grading. Yes PSA misses some alterations as does SGC but they miss far fewer percentage wise then Beckett seems to miss. They seem to be good with counterfeits but alterations are another matter completely.
Yup and the well known card doctors know this. For the time being a BVG 8 still goes for more than a PSA or SGC Authentic.
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