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Old 09-07-2017, 09:51 AM
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Maybe I am in the minority here, but when you buy something that is specifically advertised as "no COA" and "sold as is" do you think it really is fair to try to return it? I mean, you knew what you were getting yourself into, right? He didn't sell it as "go on and have it authenticated at your cost, and if it comes back fake I will refund your money."

I mean, if more people try to return this stuff and open PayPal claims, etc., then maybe you discourage the bad guys from listing fake crap. But, I would not feel comfortable forcing a refund here if the guy won't give you one after you politely ask.
No COA and sold as is are the scammers credo. Those words do not justify anything when a scammer is involved.
Get a refund, neg feedback this seller.
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Old 09-07-2017, 10:16 AM
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No COA and sold as is are the scammers credo. Those words do not justify anything when a scammer is involved.

Get a refund, neg feedback this seller.


Agreed. If selling these types of items is your business you need to stand behind what you sell. If you know something is fake and you sell it as possibly real but "as is" then you are scamming.

Regardless of your responsibility as a buyer, he should give a refund and I would probably leave negative feedback (I have only done so a few times since 1998).

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Old 09-07-2017, 10:30 AM
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Before I have ever bought a raw signature that I was unsure of on ebay, I have always asked the seller "Will you accept a refund if the item does not pass authentication with PSA, SGC, Beckett, or JSA?" If the answer is no, I decide whether it is worth the risk, and either move forward knowing I am stuck with the item, or walk away. Going ahead and bidding or buying without confirming all of the risks is not the best way to proceed at the outset IMHO.
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Old 09-07-2017, 10:47 AM
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Before I have ever bought a raw signature that I was unsure of on ebay, I have always asked the seller "Will you accept a refund if the item does not pass authentication with PSA, SGC, Beckett, or JSA?" If the answer is no, I decide whether it is worth the risk, and either move forward knowing I am stuck with the item, or walk away. Going ahead and bidding or buying without confirming all of the risks is not the best way to proceed at the outset IMHO.
Agreed. In this instance however, since the seller is and has been selling nothing but forgeries, I wouldn't much care what proper etiquette might be. Anything that makes him squirm a little is fine by me.

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Old 09-07-2017, 11:01 AM
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Before I have ever bought a raw signature that I was unsure of on ebay, I have always asked the seller "Will you accept a refund if the item does not pass authentication with PSA, SGC, Beckett, or JSA?" If the answer is no, I decide whether it is worth the risk, and either move forward knowing I am stuck with the item, or walk away. Going ahead and bidding or buying without confirming all of the risks is not the best way to proceed at the outset IMHO.
I get where you are coming from. I should accept responsibility for my mistake. That's fair. I guess I would follow up and ask you what responsibility is there to throw out some additional level of caveat emptor warning to other buyers? Something along the line of "Hey, he means it when he says "as is." Mine failed authentication."
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Old 09-07-2017, 12:14 PM
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Everything this guy sells is garbage. I thought about posting here a couple of weeks ago, but thought it was obvious. It's not often you see some of the garbage he forges because it's so common. Please people, use common sense or ask for more help.
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Old 09-07-2017, 12:28 PM
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I guess I would follow up and ask you what responsibility is there to throw out some additional level of caveat emptor warning to other buyers?
"No COA" and "as is" and "no refunds" as it says in the boilerplate listing here is enough for me to understand "caveat emptor" and even "look, I didn't even bother sending it to PSA because I made it myself."

Here, I would still go ahead and pursue a refund, because I too like making bad people squirm. But, I do think you recognize that you shoulder some of the responsibility here.
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I wouldn't request a refund; same as if I bought a washer/dryer on craigslist AS IS and they didn't work and had a family of possums living inside. You made the mistake of buying a card that was an obvious fake auto.

I would however give a negative. That will serve as a "warning" to someone in the future. There were plenty of red flags even before you got to looking at the pictures.
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Old 09-08-2017, 10:50 AM
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I don't understand the don't ask for a refund posts. eBay policy dictates that you are within your right to be refunded, so why wouldn't you get your refund? There is a very simple way for a seller to sell a card they don't know is authentic: don't claim the card was signed by the person. The auction description makes it clear that the seller is selling a card signed by Dazzy Vance "as is". The seller could have easily sold the card as a Fleer Vance with an unknown signature on it.
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Old 09-08-2017, 11:11 AM
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No COA and sold as is are the scammers credo. Those words do not justify anything when a scammer is involved.
Get a refund, neg feedback this seller.
all of this. i'm guessing the people says no refund are not out there searching for and buying autographs every day and act like this is some sort of isolated incident. there's a whole subset of these scam sellers on ebay pumping out fakes day after day into the hobby and preying on the noob uneducated and silent majority who don't care.

they're just as bad as coach's corner, but even worse they have auctions every day for not even hof'ers but just common set guys. some of them are so good they even pass tpa's. they know exactly what they're doing as they've made a nice living on ebay for years. to accept this behavior and blame the victims for not knowing any better shows a lack of compassion and regard for this hobby. the apathy is disconcerting.
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