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Old 09-20-2018, 10:16 PM
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Default 1910 T218 Boxing card question

Okay, guys, I don't know much about boxing card at all, but I have a large group of mostly T218 boxing cards like the ones pictured and a few T220.

The first question, on the back, just above Mecca around half have listed series #2 51 to 100, the others do not. Are these different printings? Is one more valuable than the other?

Next, I can see some of these on eBay to get an idea, but only for the same condition cards. I have a Beckett account for the vintage cards, but they all list N/A even for these older cards that seem to have plenty of sales looking at the past year. Is there somewhere else you recommend to get an idea of value for these?

And last, since I don't know a lot about boxing, besides Jack Johnson, who else is in these two sets that I should be looking out for?

Again, thanks in advance for your help and guidance!
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Old 09-21-2018, 03:05 PM
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Ask a simple question, get a not so simple answer...

Hope this older thread helps:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=111405
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Old 09-21-2018, 03:19 PM
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Thumbs up I would also suggest....

A member of this board, Adam (Exhibitman), has an excellent book "Ameria's Great Boxing Cards" I highly recommend it. http://www.americasgreatboxingcards.com
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Old 09-21-2018, 03:31 PM
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Ask a simple question, get a not so simple answer...

Hope this older thread helps:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=111405
Thank you for your help and for pulling this up. Though I think I am still a little confused. LOL
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Old 09-21-2018, 03:32 PM
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A member of this board, Adam (Exhibitman), has an excellent book "Ameria's Great Boxing Cards" I highly recommend it. http://www.americasgreatboxingcards.com
Thank you, this will help a little as well!
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eBay sold listings, or using PSA's Auction Prices Realized:
https://www.psacard.com/auctionprices/#0%7Ct218%20prize

Abe Attell is well known for his role in the 1919 Black Sox scandal.
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eBay sold listings, or using PSA's Auction Prices Realized:
https://www.psacard.com/auctionprices/#0%7Ct218%20prize

Abe Attell is well known for his role in the 1919 Black Sox scandal.
Ah, thank you, this will also be helpful!
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Old 09-21-2018, 09:19 PM
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The cards were issued in 3 series.


The 1 series is a mid 1910 issue, without the series 2 notation. The series title is "Champion Athletes and Prize Fighters". Cards exist with Mecca and Hassan backs, from factories 30 and 649.


Series 2 came out in late 1910, and bears the series 2 notation. In addition to the series 2 Mecca and Hassan backs, the cards were also printed with a Hassan, factory 30 back with no series notation, and Tolstoi (very rare). All second series cards having the Hassan 30 back from series 1 as well as the series 2 backs trips up a lot of collectors in check listing.


Series 3 exists only with Mecca backs, from 2 factories again, and was issued in 1911. The series caption begins "series of..." this time, and most of the card fronts now have a thin black frame around the image.


There are 153 cards in the basic set. They are one of the more common T card issues. Johnson is the key. Jeffries, Attell, Gans, Jeanette and Langford also carry consistent premiums. Aviators, Golfers and Billiards players are more popular than the boxers and track cards. Most won't sell for more than a few bucks in VG.


The T220 set has 50 boxers, and is a late 1910-early 1911 issue. James J. Corbett, Jack Dempsey, Joe Gans, Peter Jackson, John L. Sullivan (the key) carry consistent premiums. Mecca cards have 30 and 649 backs again. Tolstoi backs are scarce, but not as tough as T218 Tolstoi's. Silver border cards carry a 2-3x premium, and feature 25 of the fronts, all with Mecca 649 backs.
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The cards were issued in 3 series.


The 1 series is a mid 1910 issue, without the series 2 notation. The series title is "Champion Athletes and Prize Fighters". Cards exist with Mecca and Hassan backs, from factories 30 and 649.


Series 2 came out in late 1910, and bears the series 2 notation. In addition to the series 2 Mecca and Hassan backs, the cards were also printed with a Hassan, factory 30 back with no series notation, and Tolstoi (very rare). All second series cards having the Hassan 30 back from series 1 as well as the series 2 backs trips up a lot of collectors in check listing.


Series 3 exists only with Mecca backs, from 2 factories again, and was issued in 1911. The series caption begins "series of..." this time, and most of the card fronts now have a thin black frame around the image.


There are 153 cards in the basic set. They are one of the more common T card issues. Johnson is the key. Jeffries, Attell, Gans, Jeanette and Langford also carry consistent premiums. Aviators, Golfers and Billiards players are more popular than the boxers and track cards. Most won't sell for more than a few bucks in VG.


The T220 set has 50 boxers, and is a late 1910-early 1911 issue. James J. Corbett, Jack Dempsey, Joe Gans, Peter Jackson, John L. Sullivan (the key) carry consistent premiums. Mecca cards have 30 and 649 backs again. Tolstoi backs are scarce, but not as tough as T218 Tolstoi's. Silver border cards carry a 2-3x premium, and feature 25 of the fronts, all with Mecca 649 backs.
Wow! Just wow! Thank you, that is mostly what I was looking for, I really appreciate it.
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Good info. Johnson side view is available with multiple backs, one of the few that is.
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