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Old 08-18-2018, 09:43 AM
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Default Sports Service/Team issues

More team issues:

Jack believes this to be from 1965 - I from 1960:
http://www.net54baseball.com/attachm...1&d=1534599673

1961:
http://www.net54baseball.com/attachm...1&d=1534599673

1964:
http://www.net54baseball.com/attachm...1&d=1534599673

1966:
http://www.net54baseball.com/attachm...1&d=1534599673

1967 - Jack:
http://www.net54baseball.com/attachm...1&d=1534599673

1968 - Jack:
http://www.net54baseball.com/attachm...1&d=1534599673
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File Type: jpg 1966 Team.jpg (113.5 KB, 129 views)
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Old 08-18-2018, 09:46 AM
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Default 1966 Sealed team photo pack

I know there are a lot of questions about the 1966-1971 color issues - while I can't resolve them all, I believe I can shed some light.
This is a sealed 1966 team set
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Old 08-18-2018, 09:47 AM
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Default 1970 - 4x5

1970 4x5 set
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Old 08-18-2018, 09:48 AM
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Default 1971 team set

I have not seen this one around. It is similar to what PSA identifies as a 1971 set, but the coloring is much whiter. This is sealed in the original bag.
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Old 08-18-2018, 09:50 AM
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Default 1970? 1971?

PSA identifies this as 1971 - It could be or possibly 1970. This is a sealed pack with no year identifier on the back.
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Old 08-18-2018, 09:51 AM
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Default Probable 1970 auto card

This is likely a 1970 autograph card
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Old 08-18-2018, 09:54 AM
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Default Familiar images - unidentified

These have slightly different textural , size or cropping differences - I presume them to be various appearance or team issues (except the postcard - no idea there!)
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Old 08-18-2018, 12:20 PM
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Awesome resource Howard. I recall asking before but we didn't finish the discussion: your sense of why PSA will authenticate/label some of these but not others? Is it just a question of what they can know for sure, and if they are unsure about provenance then the default is to not be willing to slab at all and therefore not include in the master list?
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Old 08-18-2018, 02:47 PM
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Default My (not so humble) opinion is

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Awesome resource Howard. I recall asking before but we didn't finish the discussion: your sense of why PSA will authenticate/label some of these but not others? Is it just a question of what they can know for sure, and if they are unsure about provenance then the default is to not be willing to slab at all and therefore not include in the master list?
There is no obvious rhyme or reason why they do what they do. They claim to only grade items that are listed in a major price guide (Becket or Standard Catalog). How they "think" they can tell the difference between 66-67-68 autograph cards - I don't know - I can't (They don't even have a 1966 graded - or did they mislabel another year?). The fact that they do accept some but do not accept or recognize ALL of the Jay publishing and team issues as identified above - I don't know. Just requested they grade the '56 - they refused. They grade some variations and stupid things like the mini cutouts from the Transogram box, but don't grade other legitimate variations like the 180 back Salada or the wide border 69 Nabisco flakes.
Read the forums for a little while and you will see the general consensus on consistency of their qualitative grading as well. I've gotten stuff back from them and just shake my head sometimes - items that are solid nrmt - come back with a 4-5 grade.
For selling - they are a necessary "evil". For collecting they are a choice - I chose to work on a registry set because I got bored with so little to look for. I am not looking to get 100% complete on it. I have complete bazooka boxes from every year (but 1960) - I don't care about the panels (except 71 numbered) or singles. I will not even send in my 68 or 71 boxes as PSA will bend a flap to fit into their holder!!
Why they do what they do? Because people like me keep sending them money to do it
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Old 08-18-2018, 04:42 PM
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There is no obvious rhyme or reason why they do what they do. They claim to only grade items that are listed in a major price guide (Becket or Standard Catalog). How they "think" they can tell the difference between 66-67-68 autograph cards - I don't know - I can't (They don't even have a 1966 graded - or did they mislabel another year?). The fact that they do accept some but do not accept or recognize ALL of the Jay publishing and team issues as identified above - I don't know. Just requested they grade the '56 - they refused. They grade some variations and stupid things like the mini cutouts from the Transogram box, but don't grade other legitimate variations like the 180 back Salada or the wide border 69 Nabisco flakes.
Read the forums for a little while and you will see the general consensus on consistency of their qualitative grading as well. I've gotten stuff back from them and just shake my head sometimes - items that are solid nrmt - come back with a 4-5 grade.
For selling - they are a necessary "evil". For collecting they are a choice - I chose to work on a registry set because I got bored with so little to look for. I am not looking to get 100% complete on it. I have complete bazooka boxes from every year (but 1960) - I don't care about the panels (except 71 numbered) or singles. I will not even send in my 68 or 71 boxes as PSA will bend a flap to fit into their holder!!
Why they do what they do? Because people like me keep sending them money to do it

Thanks for all the great info Howard. It is a little confusing between the Jay Photos and team issued B&Ws.


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1968 Topps Managner's Dream...I really like this card, I wish Roberto appeared on more multi-player cards.



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