Rookie Cards of Baseball Hall of Famers

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by orly57

Yes and no. The "Weiser Wonder" is a minor league PC, but the 1908 Rose is not. The Rose pre-dates the Ramly.

Orlando - the "Weiser Wonder" postcard that you reference was actually issued in 1910. The original real photo postcard (without title) that is pictured below was issued in 1907, before he was known by that nickname.

[w600]

Originally Posted by orly57

You consider a W600 a rookie in the case of Wagner, but a postcard isn't a rookie in the case of Wajo? Other than your handle being W600, what logical reason can you give why a W600 can be a rookie, but a postcard cannot? I am totally fine with considering a W600 a rookie card because I disagree with the sentiment that the card must come in packs or be a certain size to be considered a "card." But it seems like a strange position to take when you say that an oversized premium is a "card" for purposes of assigning a player's rookie, but a postcard is not.

W600 was issued as cards for 9 years. Nothing different than any other card company. The sets and years were defined. They were just oversized.Postcards to me are similar to postcards now. People can take pictures with there family and send letters or greetings. If Mike trout had a postcard 1909 or a page in a magazine in those years, they are not "ROOKIE CARDS"...

Cabinet Cards are a bit different. W600 are not Cabinets. Cabinet Card is similar to how cards are made now. Photo with cardboard back. Although, they have defined sets and stature. Cabinet Cards are loose ends a bit. But if the year in the Cabinet Card matches the rookie year to me its his Rookie Card.

[orly57]

Originally Posted by w600

W600 was issued as cards for 9 years. Nothing different than any other card company. The sets and years were defined. They were just oversized.Postcards to me are similar to postcards now. People can take pictures with there family and send letters or greetings. If Mike trout had a postcard 1909 or a page in a magazine in those years, they are not "ROOKIE CARDS"...

Cabinet Cards are a bit different. W600 are not Cabinets. Cabinet Card is similar to how cards are made now. Photo with cardboard back. Although, they have defined sets and stature. Cabinet Cards are loose ends a bit. But if the year in the Cabinet Card matches the rookie year to me its his Rookie Card.

It sounds to me like you should probably brush up a bit on post cards before making such sweeping commentary. I think you are confusing RPPC's (real photo postcards) with postcards that absolutely have defined sets and years and are catalogued. Like a W600 is a defined set in a catalog, so is the Rose Co (PC760), Novelty Cutlery (pc805) etc. Real photo postcards, on the other hand, were pics taken by individuals and put onto cardboard. Those do not have defined sets or years. But there is a HUGE difference between the two. I think certain RPPCs are great, but I too am a bit bothered by the fact that they aren't from defined sets or years. I don't own any largely for that reason (though I wouldn't mind a 1915 Ruth RPPC too much). But I do own quite a few PCs from legit catalogued sets. The Rose Wajo is most certainly part of a defined set from defined years. And if mike trout had a postcard from 1909, it would definitely be considered a PRE PRE PRE rookie.

[Bicem]

RPPC's can also be from well defined sets like Bregstone, Underwood & Underwood, Rotograph, Cleveland Souvenir Shop etc.

So really two types, private one-off's like Orlando describes above and ones mass produced for sets and promotional reasons.

[Jim65]

Tom Seaver (1967 Topps)

Seaver's true rookie card is the 1967 Team Issued Postcard, which was released before Topps last series in 1967

[bcbgcbrcb]

I just made a couple of updates to my original posted list today. Individuals updated were Ty Cobb and Josh Gibson.

[Bicem]

You could remove the 07-09 date range for those Cobb postcards, I know you were referring to the Dietsche range but only the 1907 version would anyone consider his rookie.

[bcbgcbrcb]

Hi Guys:

I was just checking in on Net54Baseball as I do every once in a while these days as I am no longer very active in the hobby and noticed the follow-up to my original HOF Rookie Cards Listing thread.

I am sure that Derek will be able to provide a most current listing as soon as he is able to. If anyone would like an updated entry to be made to my original list, I would be happy to do this also. Since I don't check in on Net 54 too often, it would be best if you send me a PM as I will see those messages in my e-mail box as well and I will respond and make the necessary updates if they are warranted.

I'm always happy to hear that board members are still referencing the list that I put together a number of years ago now, it was a lot of work and my hope was that it would act as a reference tool for collectors for many years to come. For those that do not know, I also put together another similar listing for Earliest Collectibles of BB HOF'ers which can be found in it's own thread:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...t+collectibles

[KMayUSA6060]

Originally Posted by h2oya311

Yep, that one works as well. I think Phil stuck with the primary issue when available (in this case the ‘68 Topps).

And Kyle, I promise I’m working on it. I’ve got a nice spreadsheet but I need to simply put it on the site.

Derek,

Awesome! Looking forward to that updated list.

Originally Posted by bcbgcbrcb

Hi Guys:

I was just checking in on Net54Baseball as I do every once in a while these days as I am no longer very active in the hobby and noticed the follow-up to my original HOF Rookie Cards Listing thread.

I am sure that Derek will be able to provide a most current listing as soon as he is able to. If anyone would like an updated entry to be made to my original list, I would be happy to do this also. Since I don't check in on Net 54 too often, it would be best if you send me a PM as I will see those messages in my e-mail box as well and I will respond and make the necessary updates if they are warranted.

I'm always happy to hear that board members are still referencing the list that I put together a number of years ago now, it was a lot of work and my hope was that it would act as a reference tool for collectors for many years to come. For those that do not know, I also put together another similar listing for Earliest Collectibles of BB HOF'ers which can be found in it's own thread:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...t+collectibles

Heck of a list. Thank you for putting it together!

[bcbgcbrcb]

Doug:

Thank you for your efforts towards bringing my original list up to date. In order to better explain why my choices are what they are, I am attaching a pic of the first page from my 4-Sports Hall of Fame Rookie Cards Guide, Baseball section, which is very similar to its Football, Basketball & Hockey Section counterparts. Over the next few days, I will also share my thoughts on the newest electees from the past 6 years and make the necessary updates to my original list at the very beginning of this thread. Rats60 and Peter look to be right on with their input as well.

Please feel free to inquire about anything that you see listed here and let's talk about it.

[conner]

Tommy Lasorda rookie should be the 1952 Frostade, right? Not the 1954 topps?

[h2oya311]

Originally Posted by conner

Tommy Lasorda rookie should be the 1952 Frostade, right? Not the 1954 topps?

1950 Big League Stars predates both. But according to Phil’s parameters to meet “rookie card” eligibility, the 1954 Topps satisfies all the “rules”. See the post preceding your post with the requirements. The 1952 Frostade also shows LaSorda while playing for his Montreal team.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Phil has a separate list detailing the first cards/collectibles of HOFers. As noted, this particular list is for RCs as depicted in MLB garb.

[Robextend]

As a post-war HOF RC (and pre-RC) collector, I consider these to be pre-rookies:



I kind of mesh everything together - to each their own.

https://imageevent.com/vanslykefan/b...amerookiecards