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Old 11-02-2018, 08:41 PM
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Picked up 1946-47 Propagandas Montiel Reyes del Deporte - Primo Carnera.
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Old 11-02-2018, 09:15 PM
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The only reference I can find to the signature cards is on Jeff Allender's checklist site, where he checklists a red bordered Arguello. Since it references the border color difference I think the report of the Arguello is credible. Allender claims (without foundation) that the insertion ratio is 1:2160 packs, but is "reportedly scarcer." Yeah, no $hit, Sherlock. A total of two cards identified in the hobby over 27 years is definitely scarcer than one every 60 boxes (5 cases). I'm thinking that finding one is more akin to this scenario:

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It is Carlos Palomino, not Arguello, who is referenced as a signature card.

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Old 11-03-2018, 04:51 AM
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This article states "So far, more than 250 million First Round cards have been printed and distributed..."

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Kayo+...ena-a011423282
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Old 11-03-2018, 12:02 PM
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This article states "So far, more than 250 million First Round cards have been printed and distributed..."

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Kayo+...ena-a011423282

Yeah, it's a typical early 90's overproduction run. Totally over-estimated the market for boxing cards.

Similar story with AW (All World) the same year. Differences in distribution. It seems AW produced way less unopened product and way more factory sets, and Kayo stuck to mainly the unopened product, while creating less factory sets.

5 years later Ringside was a lot more savvy and sophisticated with it's release, and was much more transparent with it's chase card, autograph insert strategy. Still overproduced but not quite to the extent of the 91' releases.

I'm not sure of the full autograph insert list for this set. I don't think it's exactly a remarkable line-up of boxers, but at least they are attainable.

Still not successful enough to carry over into another series of cards until the modern day lineup of hobby boxes started coming out with much more limited distribution.
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Old 11-03-2018, 08:31 PM
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Where did I get Arguello? Brain fart...

OK, each case has 14 x 36 x 12 cards = 6,048. That's 41,336 cases if the 250 million # is used. If the signed cards are 1 per 5 cases, that would be 8,267 signed cards. Surely more than two would have shown up in 27 years.

I don't buy the production numbers. That's a million of each card. At its worst in the junk wax era, Topps was reported to have made 5 million of each card. A fifth of Topps's max run for a minor sport and a first effort?

I also have to wonder how many were destroyed rather than saved for decades.
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Did not expect to find one.
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Very cool!! Nice find.


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FP had some nice card issues over the years.
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Old 11-22-2018, 11:11 PM
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Picked up a high grade T218 Goodman. His record on the back is not very good, but high grade T218's are neat. I'm back into boxing cards because the price is right.
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T218 is my favorite T set in any sport. The art just cannot be beaten.
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