Any One Collect Pins?

[MK]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

While scouring WorthPoint looking for unlisted 1971 studio backdrop pins for the other pin thread, I ran across a couple of interesting 1969 MLB b & w pins. The first one is a Bobby Murcer pin that is obviously not him in the picture, I'm pretty certain it is Billy Cowan who was a Yankee the first half of 1969. The second one is a 2 1/4" pin of Jim Bunning, so of the four known Phillies, Richie Allen, Jim Bunning, Deron Johnson, and Tony Taylor, the Allen is the only one that is the normal 3 1/2" size.

Does anyone remember the 2.5 inch pins being sold in stores or otherwise? I clearly remember seeing the 3.5 inch being sold in stores in the early 1970s. Sure wish I had bought every single one.

[Collectorsince62]

Just picked up some Browns items including this 6" pinback. I'm a Cardinal collector and decided long ago that one team was enough for me (and my budget). Looking for information on this one - scarcity, value, interest, etc. Thanks.

[sflayank]

Has anyone put together the known checklist of these pins?

[andypcl]

With the above Murcer variation, here's the 95 that I know of. I've been picking them up for years and now have 76 of them:

AARON - BW
AGEE -BW
ALLEN - BW
ANDREWS - BW
ANDREWS - C
APARICIO - BW
BANKS - BW
BANKS - C
BECKERT - BW
BLEFARY - BW
BOSWELL - BW
BROCK - BW
CALLISON - BW
CAREW - BW
CEPEDA - BW
CHARLES - BW
CLARKE - BW
CLEMENTE - BW
CLENDENON - BW
CONIGLIARO - BW
CONIGLIARO - C
CONIGLIARO, BILLY - BW
CULP - C
DIMAGGIO - BW
DRYSDALE - BW
ELLIS - BW
FERNANDEZ - C
FLOOD - BW
FREGOSI - C
GEHRIG - BW
GIBSON - BW
GROTE - BW
HARRELSON, BUD - C
HARRELSON, KEN - BW
HICKMAN - BW
HOLTZMAN - BW
HOWARD - BW
HUNDLEY - BW
JACKSON - C
JENKINS - BW
JONES, CLEON - BW
JONES, CLEON - C
JONES, DALTON - BW
KALINE - BW
KENNEY - BW
KESSINGER - BW
KILLEBREW - BW
KILLEBREW - BW - pose var.
KOOSMAN - C
KOUFAX - BW
LOLICH -BW
LONBORG - BW
LONBORG - C
MANTLE - BW
MARICHAL
MAY
MAYS
MCCLAIN - BW
MCCOVEY - BW
MELTON - BW
MICHAEL - BW
MICHAEL - C
MUNSON - BW
MURCER - BW - PIC BILLY COWAN
MURCER - C
OLIVA - BW
PEPITONE - BW - CUBS
PEPITONE - BW - YANKEES
PETROCELLI - C
PETROCELLI B&W
REICHART - C
ROBINSON, BROOKS - BW
ROBINSON, FRANK - BW
ROSE - BW
RUTH - BW
SANTO B&W
SANTO COLOR
SCOTT - BW
SCOTT - C
SEAVER - BW
SEAVER - C
SHAMSKY
SMITH - BW
SMITH - C
STOTTLEMYRE - BW
STOTTLEMYRE - C
SWABODA - BW
SWABODA - C
TORRE - BW
TRESH - C
WARD - BW
WHITE - BW
WILLIAMS/BILLY
YAZ - BW
YAZ - C

[sflayank]

thanks for that list
if anyone can add to it please do
i can add Berra-C and Kranepool -C
picked up the kranepool today

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by andypcl

With the above Murcer variation, here's the 95 that I know of. I've been picking them up for years and now have 76 of them:

AARON - BW
AGEE -BW
ALLEN - BW
ANDREWS - BW
ANDREWS - C
APARICIO - BW
BANKS - BW
BANKS - C
BECKERT - BW
BLEFARY - BW
BOSWELL - BW
BROCK - BW
CALLISON - BW
CAREW - BW
CEPEDA - BW
CHARLES - BW
CLARKE - BW
CLEMENTE - BW
CLENDENON - BW
CONIGLIARO - BW
CONIGLIARO - C
CONIGLIARO, BILLY - BW
CULP - C
DIMAGGIO - BW
DRYSDALE - BW
ELLIS - BW
FERNANDEZ - C
FLOOD - BW
FREGOSI - C
GEHRIG - BW
GIBSON - BW
GROTE - BW
HARRELSON, BUD - C
HARRELSON, KEN - BW
HICKMAN - BW
HOLTZMAN - BW
HOWARD - BW
HUNDLEY - BW
JACKSON - C
JENKINS - BW
JONES, CLEON - BW
JONES, CLEON - C
JONES, DALTON - BW
KALINE - BW
KENNEY - BW
KESSINGER - BW
KILLEBREW - BW
KILLEBREW - BW - pose var.
KOOSMAN - C
KOUFAX - BW
LOLICH -BW
LONBORG - BW
LONBORG - C
MANTLE - BW
MARICHAL
MAY
MAYS
MCCLAIN - BW
MCCOVEY - BW
MELTON - BW
MICHAEL - BW
MICHAEL - C
MUNSON - BW
MURCER - BW - PIC BILLY COWAN
MURCER - C
OLIVA - BW
PEPITONE - BW - CUBS
PEPITONE - BW - YANKEES
PETROCELLI - C
PETROCELLI B&W
REICHART - C
ROBINSON, BROOKS - BW
ROBINSON, FRANK - BW
ROSE - BW
RUTH - BW
SANTO B&W
SANTO COLOR
SCOTT - BW
SCOTT - C
SEAVER - BW
SEAVER - C
SHAMSKY
SMITH - BW
SMITH - C
STOTTLEMYRE - BW
STOTTLEMYRE - C
SWABODA - BW
SWABODA - C
TORRE - BW
TRESH - C
WARD - BW
WHITE - BW
WILLIAMS/BILLY
YAZ - BW
YAZ - C

Excellent! There is also a Kranepool-C, and these are confirmed to be 2 1/4", Banks, Beckert, Bunning, Carew, Hundley, D. Johnson, Killebrew, Mays, McCovey, Oliva, Santo, T. Taylor. I'll run through WorthPoint to see if I can add anymore.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by andypcl

GROTE - BW
HARRELSON, BUD - C
HARRELSON, KEN - BW
HICKMAN - BW

I found a Bud Harrelson - BW and a Yogi Berra - BW on WorthPoint, each of those already mentioned were described as being color.

[andypcl]

Thanks for posting those. We're up to 99. Here's the color Harrelson.

[sflayank]

thats 102 now

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by sflayank

thats 102 now

I think he doesn't wants to count the three 2 1/4" Phillies, Bunning, D. Johnson, and T. Taylor, because there aren't known 3 1/2" versions of them, unless I'm mistaken. It's interesting that the known 2 1/4" pins are from four teams, Cubs - 4, Twins - 3, Phillies - 3, Giants - 2.

[sflayank]

Does the 95 he listed include the other 2 1/4 or just 3 1/2 inch pins

[andypcl]

Yep, I just listed the 3 1/2"

[sflayank]

Okay so now 99 3 1/2 inch pins
And 12 2 1/4 inch pins

[Cliff Bowman]

Just on a hunch, I figured there is probably a very good chance that there is a 2 1/4" Juan Marichal pin because there are only two known 2 1/4" Giants so I looked at Marichal pins on WorthPoint. I could only find two there but sure enough one of them doesn't have the red line around the MLB swinging batter emblem, so I am pretty confident that the 2 1/4" Marichal exists. The pin on the left doesn't have the red line, the 3 1/2" pin on the right has the red line. The seller of the pin on the left only described it as a 1969 pin and there is no back scan.

[jimtigers65]

Picked up this Norm Cash button today. 6D4B5F46-5189-4060-8560-DC10CFB735F2.jpg

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Collectorsince62

Just picked up some Browns items including this 6" pinback. I'm a Cardinal collector and decided long ago that one team was enough for me (and my budget). Looking for information on this one - scarcity, value, interest, etc. Thanks.

Paul Muchinsky gave it a value of $300. I thought it would be more, so $300 suggests to me it’s either not exceptionally rare or not exceptionally sought after. Onteresing that they made an identical pin with a different font.

[Collectorsince62]

Thanks Rob - appreciate the information.

[Cliff Bowman]

Now that there are checklists for the known 1969 MLB pins, 1971 studio backdrop pins, and the 1978-198? numbered pins, I figured I would make one for the 1972-1974 black box pins. Some of the Yankees have only YANKEES and not NEW YORK and some of the Red Sox have only RED SOX and not BOSTON, which I included, and there are some Red Sox pins that are similar to these that were apparently made in 1975-1976 that mainly feature Fred Lynn and/or Jim Rice that I didn't include. If anyone can add to the list with a scan please do.

A's- Rollie Fingers, Ken Holtzman, Reggie Jackson, Gene Tenace

Angels- Frank Robinson, Nolan Ryan, Bobby Winkles

Braves- Hank Aaron, Paul Casanova

Brewers- Pedro Garcia, Darrell Porter, Robin Yount

Cubs- Ernie Banks, Ray Burris, Jose Cardenal, Jose Cardenal (closeup), Carmen Fanzone, Vic Harris, Gene Hiser, Burt Hooton (misspelled Houton), Burt Hooton (spelled correctly), Randy Hundley, Fergie Jenkins, Don Kessinger (batting, misspelled Kissinger), Don Kessinger (fielding, spelled correctly), Bill Madlock, George Mitterwald, Rick Monday, Rick Monday (closeup), Jerry Morales, Rick Reuschel, Ron Santo, Steve Stone, Billy Williams

Giants- Bobby Bonds, Tom Bradley, Ron Bryant, Tito Fuentes, Ed Goodson, Ken Henderson, Dave Kingman, Garry Maddox, Juan Marichal, Willie McCovey, Dave Rader, Chris Speier

Mets- Tommie Agee, Jim Fregosi, Wayne Garrett, Jerry Grote, Bud Harrelson, Cleon Jones, Jerry Koosman, Willie Mays, Tug McGraw, Felix Millan, John Milner, Tom Seaver, Rusty Staub

Orioles- Don Baylor, Paul Blair, Bobby Grich, Jim Palmer, Brooks Robinson

Pirates- Roberto Clemente (arms crossed), Roberto Clemente (face only), Gene Clines, Dave Giusti, Richie Hebner (mouth open), Richie Hebner (closeup smiling), Al Oliver, Bob Robertson, Manny Sanguillen, Willie Stargell, Rennie Stennett

Rangers- David Clyde, Fergie Jenkins

Red Sox- Luis Aparicio (batting), Luis Aparicio (closeup face), Rick Burleson, Orlando Cepeda, Tony Conigliaro, Ray Culp, Dwight Evans, Carlton Fisk, Doug Griffin, Tommy Harper, Rico Petrocelli, Sonny Siebert, Reggie Smith, Luis Tiant (RED SOX only, serious expression), Luis Tiant (BOSTON RED SOX, smiling), Carl Yastrzemski (batting), Carl Yastrzemski (two tone cap), Carl Yastrzemski (Red Sox only, no Boston)

Reds- Johnny Bench, Jack Billingham, Dave Concepcion, Don Gullett, Joe Morgan, Tony Perez, Pete Rose

Tigers- Ed Brinkman, Norm Cash, Al Kaline, Mickey Lolich

Twins- Harmon Killebrew, Tony Oliva

White Sox- Dick Allen, Mike Andrews, Stan Bahnsen, Tom Bradley, Ed Hermann, Carlos May, Bill Melton, Ron Santo, Wilbur Wood

Yankees- Felipe Alou, Matty Alou, Ron Blomberg, Sparky Lyle, Bobby Murcer, Graig Nettles, Fritz Peterson, Mel Stottlemyre, Roy White

As an aside, at first glance I thought that lefty Fritz Peterson fooled the photographer by throwing right handed but it appears the photo was reversed.

[ooo-ribay]

You got the Giants right, Cliff.

[71buc]

There are actually 3 Clemente versions 1. Arms crossed, 2. close up without plastic covering 3.close up with plastic covering. The close up version is harder to find.
At first I thought the one sans the covering was merely a damaged pin missing the cover. I have since found such damaged pins and those photos are completely different. The texture on the third version is very different. I believe Scott Garner has a Nolan Ryan without the covering.

Sanguillen has two versions. The "Manny" batting pose is the tougher of the two. Richie Hebner has two versions as well. The close up Hebner is harder to find.

I have always been curious as to why Dock Ellis and Steve Blass were excluded?

[Cliff Bowman]

Great! Checklist updated.

A's- Ray Fosse, Rollie Fingers, Ken Holtzman, Reggie Jackson, Joe Rudi, Gene Tenace

Angels- Frank Robinson, Nolan Ryan, Bobby Winkles

Braves- Hank Aaron, Paul Casanova

Brewers- Pedro Garcia, Darrell Porter, Robin Yount

Cubs- Ernie Banks, Ray Burris, Jose Cardenal (CHICAGO completely visible on uniform), Jose Cardenal (closeup, arms not showing), Carmen Fanzone, Vic Harris, Gene Hiser, Burt Hooton (misspelled Houton), Burt Hooton (spelled correctly), Randy Hundley, Fergie Jenkins, Don Kessinger (batting, misspelled Kissinger), Don Kessinger (fielding, spelled correctly), Bill Madlock, George Mitterwald, Rick Monday (bat at top of pin), Rick Monday (closeup, cap at top of pin), Jerry Morales, Rick Reuschel, Ron Santo, Steve Stone, Billy Williams

Giants- Bobby Bonds, Tom Bradley, Ron Bryant, Tito Fuentes, Ed Goodson, Ken Henderson, Dave Kingman, Garry Maddox, Juan Marichal, Willie McCovey, Dave Rader, Chris Speier

Mets- Tommie Agee, Jim Fregosi, Wayne Garrett, Jerry Grote, Bud Harrelson, Cleon Jones, Jerry Koosman, Willie Mays, Tug McGraw, Felix Millan, John Milner, Tom Seaver, Rusty Staub

Orioles- Don Baylor, Paul Blair, Pat Dobson*, Bobby Grich, Jim Palmer, Merv Rettenmund*, Brooks Robinson

Pirates- Roberto Clemente (arms crossed), Roberto Clemente (closeup face), Roberto Clemente ( closeup face, no clear plastic cover), Gene Clines, Dave Giusti, Richie Hebner (mouth open), Richie Hebner (closeup smiling), Al Oliver, Bob Robertson, Manny Sanguillen (batting), Manny Sanguillen (standing with #35 visible), Willie Stargell, Rennie Stennett

Rangers- David Clyde, Fergie Jenkins

Red Sox- Luis Aparicio (batting), Luis Aparicio (face closeup), Rick Burleson, Bernie Carbo, Orlando Cepeda, Tony Conigliaro, Ray Culp, Dwight Evans, Carlton Fisk, Doug Griffin, Tommy Harper, Rico Petrocelli, Sonny Siebert, Reggie Smith, Luis Tiant, Carl Yastrzemski (batting), Carl Yastrzemski (two tone cap), Carl Yastrzemski (Red Sox only, no Boston)

Reds- Johnny Bench, Jack Billingham, Dave Concepcion, Don Gullett, Joe Morgan, Tony Perez, Pete Rose

Tigers- Ed Brinkman, Norm Cash, Al Kaline, Mickey Lolich

Twins- Harmon Killebrew, Tony Oliva

White Sox- Dick Allen, Mike Andrews, Stan Bahnsen, Tom Bradley, Ed Hermann, Carlos May, Bill Melton, Ron Santo, Wilbur Wood

Yankees- Felipe Alou, Matty Alou, Ron Blomberg, Sparky Lyle, Bobby Murcer, Graig Nettles, Fritz Peterson, Mel Stottlemyre, Roy White

[ksfarmboy]

The Orioles also have Pat Dobson and Merv Rettenmund.

[71buc]

Two more A's

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by 71buc

Two more A's

Fantastic! I found a couple of Red Sox after initially making the list, Tony Conigliaro and Bernie Carbo. ETA, your post got me to thinking there should be more A's considering these were made 1972 through 1974, so guess who popped up on WP. There's gotta be Vida Blue and Catfish Hunter out there somewhere. I messed up on the Dick Green before, he is in a couple of those huge lot scans but I mistakenly figured it was the Gene Tenace pin. They made one of Angel Mangual?!?

[Cliff Bowman]

Checklist updated.

A's- Sal Bando, Bert Campaneris, Ray Fosse, Rollie Fingers, Dick Green, Ken Holtzman, Jim Hunter, Reggie Jackson, Angel Mangual, Bill North, Joe Rudi, Gene Tenace, Dick Williams

Angels- Frank Robinson, Nolan Ryan, Bobby Winkles

Braves- Hank Aaron, Paul Casanova

Brewers- Pedro Garcia, Darrell Porter, Robin Yount

Cubs- Ernie Banks, Ray Burris, Jose Cardenal (CHICAGO completely visible on uniform), Jose Cardenal (closeup, arms not showing), Carmen Fanzone, Vic Harris, Gene Hiser, Burt Hooton (misspelled Houton), Burt Hooton (spelled correctly), Randy Hundley, Fergie Jenkins, Don Kessinger (batting, misspelled Kissinger), Don Kessinger (fielding, spelled correctly), Bill Madlock, George Mitterwald, Rick Monday (bat at top of pin), Rick Monday (closeup, cap at top of pin), Jerry Morales, Rick Reuschel, Ron Santo, Steve Stone, Billy Williams

Giants- Bobby Bonds, Tom Bradley, Ron Bryant, Tito Fuentes, Ed Goodson, Ken Henderson, Dave Kingman, Garry Maddox, Juan Marichal, Willie McCovey, Dave Rader, Chris Speier

Mets- Tommie Agee, Jim Fregosi, Wayne Garrett, Jerry Grote, Bud Harrelson, Cleon Jones, Jerry Koosman, Willie Mays, Tug McGraw, Felix Millan, John Milner, Tom Seaver, Rusty Staub

Orioles- Don Baylor, Paul Blair, Pat Dobson*, Bobby Grich, Jim Palmer, Merv Rettenmund*, Brooks Robinson

Pirates- Roberto Clemente (arms crossed, black box below hands), Roberto Clemente (arms crossed, black box on hands), Roberto Clemente (closeup face), Roberto Clemente ( closeup face, no clear plastic cover), Gene Clines, Dave Giusti, Richie Hebner (mouth open), Richie Hebner (closeup smiling), Al Oliver, Bob Robertson, Manny Sanguillen (batting), Manny Sanguillen (standing with #35 visible), Willie Stargell, Rennie Stennett

Rangers- David Clyde, Fergie Jenkins

Red Sox- Luis Aparicio (batting), Luis Aparicio (closeup face), Rick Burleson, Bernie Carbo, Orlando Cepeda, Tony Conigliaro, Ray Culp, Dwight Evans, Carlton Fisk, Doug Griffin, Tommy Harper, Rico Petrocelli, Sonny Siebert, Reggie Smith, Luis Tiant (RED SOX only, serious expression), Luis Tiant (BOSTON RED SOX, smiling), Carl Yastrzemski (batting), Carl Yastrzemski (two tone cap), Carl Yastrzemski (RED SOX only)

Reds- Johnny Bench, Jack Billingham, Dave Concepcion, Don Gullett, Joe Morgan, Tony Perez, Pete Rose

Tigers- Ed Brinkman, Norm Cash, Al Kaline, Mickey Lolich

Twins- Harmon Killebrew, Tony Oliva

White Sox- Dick Allen, Mike Andrews, Stan Bahnsen, Tom Bradley, Ed Hermann, Carlos May, Bill Melton, Ron Santo, Wilbur Wood

Yankees- Felipe Alou, Matty Alou, Ron Blomberg, Sparky Lyle, Bobby Murcer, Graig Nettles, Fritz Peterson, Mel Stottlemyre, Roy White

[MK]

So if I calculated correctly, there are 8 teams which thus far have no representatives in this set. Phillies, Dodgers, Cardinals, Expos, Indians, Astros, Royals and Padres.

[ooo-ribay]

^^^ Quality control wasn’t a strong suit of this set, huh?

[MK]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

^^^ Quality control wasn’t a strong suit of this set, huh?

But it doesn’t really make sense. Since the pins are stamped with MLBPA, it would seem all teams would have been included. What we see are some teams heavily represented, some sparsely, and some not at all. Maybe the teams heavily represented came out first for whatever reason, and then the whole project fell apart during the next wave and before some teams were even made.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by MK

So if I calculated correctly, there are 8 teams which thus far have no representatives in this set. Phillies, Dodgers, Cardinals, Expos, Indians, Astros, Royals and Padres.

I noticed that too, but those same teams are barely represented or not at all in the 1969 MLB and 1971 studio backdrop pin sets.

[71buc]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Fantastic! I found a couple of Red Sox after initially making the list, Tony Conigliaro and Bernie Carbo. ETA, your post got me to thinking there should be more A's considering these were made 1972 through 1974, so guess who popped up on WP. There's gotta be Vida Blue and Catfish Hunter out there somewhere. I messed up on the Dick Green before, he is in a couple of those huge lot scans but I mistakenly figured it was the Gene Tenace pin. They made one of Angel Mangual?!?

There is a Catfish Hunter. Im fairly certain I have one. I'll search for it later and post a photo.

[Hankphenom]

In honor of the World Champion Nationals, here is my current collection of D.C. pins, original American League franchise (1901-1960) only and downsized considerably from what it was several years ago.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by dwr11

Also, I know of the following:
Richie Allen
John Ellis
Cleon Jones
Jerry Kenney
Brooks Robinson
Frank Robinson
Ron Swoboda
Al Kaline
Jerry Koosman B&W
Joe Pepitone

I looked everywhere I could think of but could not find a scan of a 1969 MLB Pin Jerry Koosman B&W, but it would make sense because many of the Mets have a color and a B&W.

[jimtigers65]

There is a 1969 Willie Horton pin on eBay. This is the first Tiger that I’ve seen.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by jimtigers65

There is a 1969 Willie Horton pin on eBay. This is the first Tiger that I’ve seen.

That makes #100 on the 3.5” checklist.

[sflayank]

OKAY....who won that willie horton pin?

[ooo-ribay]

The "quality" of these "black box" pins is all over the place. Most Giants are head shots but some (e.g. Marichal) are waist up. Also, some say SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS while others say San. Fran. Giants. The Bradley is ALWAYS under-exposed. Oddly enough, the two HOF-ers are the hardest to find.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by 71buc

There is a Catfish Hunter.

You are correct, sir.

[hcv123]

Not sure how this fits in to the puzzle, but the more common of the Clemente pins comes comes with the black box in 2 different placements over the photo - 1 - the most usually found Clemente with the box over his arms. The other with the black box below his arms!

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by hcv123

Not sure how this fits in to the puzzle, but the more common of the Clemente pins comes comes with the black box in 2 different placements over the photo - 1 - the most usually found Clemente with the box over his arms. The other with the black box below his arms!

I think that's just a reflection of the iffy "quality control."

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I think that's just a reflection of the iffy "quality control."

It's at the very least clearly 2 different print runs. It's not just the image set differently in the pin (in fact the image is set almost exactly the same in both) - it's the black box positioned differently in the printing. I wonder if these were printed over a couple of different years. Anyone know the printing and distribution story of these? Any other players with this type of variation?

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by hcv123

II wonder if these were printed over a couple of different years. Anyone know the printing and distribution story of these? Any other players with this type of variation?

The only similar ones I know of are Jose Cardenal, Burt Hooton, and Rick Monday of the Cubs, although one of the Hooton’s is misspelled Houton. The only teams that apparently had different pins of the the same players are the Cubs, Pirates, and Red Sox.

[Chris Counts]

A black box button of Dick Allen with the Cardinals sold last week on eBay, so you can add that to the list. It also suggests the set came out earlier than 1972 since Allen only played with the Cardinals in 1970.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Chris Counts

A black box button of Dick Allen with the Cardinals sold last week on eBay, so you can add that to the list. It also suggests the set came out earlier than 1972 since Allen only played with the Cardinals in 1970.

Hmmm, the first Cardinal and a timeframe of 1970. These proofs of Yaz and Culp have a 1970 copyright so it's entirely possible that some were made in that year.

[Cliff Bowman]

Checklist updated.

A's- Sal Bando, Bert Campaneris, Ray Fosse, Rollie Fingers, Dick Green, Ken Holtzman, Jim Hunter, Reggie Jackson, Angel Mangual, Bill North, Joe Rudi, Gene Tenace, Dick Williams

Angels- Frank Robinson, Nolan Ryan, Bobby Winkles

Braves- Hank Aaron, Paul Casanova

Brewers- Pedro Garcia, Darrell Porter, Robin Yount

Cardinals- Dick Allen

Cubs- Ernie Banks, Ray Burris, Jose Cardenal (CHICAGO completely visible on uniform), Jose Cardenal (closeup, arms not showing), Carmen Fanzone, Vic Harris, Gene Hiser, Burt Hooton (misspelled Houton), Burt Hooton (spelled correctly), Randy Hundley, Fergie Jenkins, Don Kessinger (batting, misspelled Kissinger), Don Kessinger (fielding, spelled correctly), Bill Madlock, George Mitterwald, Rick Monday (bat at top of pin), Rick Monday (closeup, cap at top of pin), Jerry Morales, Rick Reuschel, Ron Santo, Steve Stone, Billy Williams

Giants- Bobby Bonds, Tom Bradley, Ron Bryant, Tito Fuentes, Ed Goodson, Ken Henderson, Dave Kingman, Garry Maddox, Juan Marichal, Willie McCovey, Dave Rader, Chris Speier

Mets- Tommie Agee, Jim Fregosi, Wayne Garrett, Jerry Grote, Bud Harrelson, Cleon Jones, Jerry Koosman, Willie Mays, Tug McGraw, Felix Millan, John Milner, Tom Seaver, Rusty Staub

Orioles- Don Baylor, Paul Blair, Pat Dobson*, Bobby Grich, Jim Palmer, Merv Rettenmund*, Brooks Robinson

Pirates- Roberto Clemente (arms crossed, black box below hands), Roberto Clemente (arms crossed, black box on hands), Roberto Clemente (closeup face), Roberto Clemente ( closeup face, no clear plastic cover), Gene Clines, Dave Giusti, Richie Hebner (mouth open), Richie Hebner (closeup smiling), Al Oliver, Bob Robertson, Manny Sanguillen (batting), Manny Sanguillen (standing with #35 visible), Willie Stargell, Rennie Stennett

Rangers- David Clyde, Fergie Jenkins

Red Sox- Luis Aparicio (batting), Luis Aparicio (closeup face), Rick Burleson (error, photo Butch Hobson), Rick Burleson (correct photo), Bernie Carbo, Orlando Cepeda, Tony Conigliaro, Ray Culp (BOSTON RED SOX), Ray Culp (RED SOX only), Dwight Evans, Carlton Fisk, Doug Griffin, Tommy Harper, Butch Hobson (error, photo Rick Burleson), Butch Hobson (correct photo), Rico Petrocelli, Sonny Siebert, Reggie Smith, Luis Tiant (RED SOX only, serious expression), Luis Tiant (BOSTON RED SOX, smiling), Carl Yastrzemski (batting), Carl Yastrzemski (two tone cap), Carl Yastrzemski (RED SOX only)

Reds- Johnny Bench, Jack Billingham, Dave Concepcion, Don Gullett, Joe Morgan, Tony Perez, Pete Rose

Tigers- Ed Brinkman, Norm Cash, Al Kaline, Mickey Lolich

Twins- Harmon Killebrew, Tony Oliva

White Sox- Dick Allen, Mike Andrews, Stan Bahnsen, Tom Bradley, Ed Hermann, Carlos May, Bill Melton, Ron Santo, Wilbur Wood

Yankees- Felipe Alou, Matty Alou, Ron Blomberg, Sparky Lyle, Bobby Murcer, Graig Nettles, Fritz Peterson, Mel Stottlemyre, Roy White

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

The only similar ones I know of are Jose Cardenal, Burt Hooton, and Rick Monday of the Cubs, although one of the Hooton’s is misspelled Houton. The only teams that apparently had different pins of the the same players are the Cubs, Pirates, and Red Sox.

Very interesting - the images of the 3 players you show are the same image, just cropped very differently. Looking carefully at the 2 Clemente's - they ARE cropped ever so slightly differently!

With the 1970 Copyright date, I would say they have to have been done in 1970 - now the question is were they done again in years after? I don't know players playing years really well - Any team/player combo on the list that COULDN'T be from 1970?

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by hcv123

With the 1970 Copyright date, I would say they have to have been done in 1970 - now the question is were they done again in years after? I don't know players playing years really well - Any team/player combo on the list that COULDN'T be from 1970?

The absence of Senators players would seem to mitigate against a 1970 date of issue, and the presence of the Rangers would indicate 1972 or later.

[Chris Counts]

"Any team/player combo on the list that COULDN'T be from 1970"

Many of the players joined their teams after 1970, such as Dick Allen, who first played for the White Sox in 1972, and Rusty Staub, who joined the Mets the same year. Allen also has a button with the Cardinals. Frank Robinson didn't join the Angels until 1973.

[jimtigers65]

Originally Posted by sflayank

OKAY....who won that willie horton pin?

Larry, do you think that was a good price for the Horton? I never seen a Tiger before and had a bid of $60 on it when I left for work. When I came home from work and checked eBay only to see that it went for twice that amount.

[jimtigers65]

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Picked up this nice Al Kaline pin today.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by jimtigers65

Larry, do you think that was a good price for the Horton? I have never seen a Tiger before and had a bid of $60 on it when I left for work. When I came home from work and checked eBay only to see that it went for twice that amount.

There is a 1969 MLB Al Kaline.