May 17th and no no hitter yet?

[Snapolit1]

Didn't know Virgil was the uncle of recently deceased Allman Brother drummer Butch Trucks.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Didn't know Virgil was the uncle of recently deceased Allman Brother drummer Butch Trucks.

He also threw a one-hitter that year & all three low-hit games were 1-0!

He finished 5-19 with a 3.97 on a horrible Tigers team.

After 'retiring', he was the batting practice pitcher for several teams for years and years.


He passed away at 95 in 2013 but in 2005, someone had given my his address to which I sent a twenty dollar check and received a signed copy of his biography, "Throwing Heat" and a very nice personalized thank you note in the shaky cursive writing of an 87-year-old. I do wish I had taken the opportunity to meet him.

[packs]

The DH of an American League team is still going to make an out more than 70% of the time on average. It is not like every team's DH is Rod Carew, though I do concede that usually any position player stands a better chance of getting a hit than a pitcher.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

The DH of an American League team is still going to make an out more than 70% of the time on average. It is not like every team's DH is Rod Carew, though I do concede that usually any position player stands a better chance of getting a hit than a pitcher.

How much of a better chance? 10%? Now you see why i get annoyed with the 'almost no hitter' in the NL.....because no hitters in the NL arent even worth the same as AL no hitters...

You can be a pitcher and have a .070 on base percentage on the year ..but try that being a DH..see how long you will stay in the lineup.

Leagues make rule changes based on 20 years of history (thus they look at modern trends as reality) so you cant just say its only 20 years of history and we need to go back to 1970 as someone else stated... Its not even close as far as how many NL no hitters there have been versus AL in the last 20 years. Lets see the next 2 out of 3 no hitters be in AL parks before we bring this back up.

[packs]

I don't know what you mean by worth. In 2016 Prince Fielder played 89 games total, 80 of which he served as DH. He hit 212 with a 292 OBP.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

I don't know what you mean by worth. In 2016 Prince Fielder played 89 games total, 80 of which he served as DH. He hit 212 with a 292 OBP.

If he was a Starting Pitcher, that would make him one of the best Starting Pitcher hitters in the past 20 years. How many starting pitchers in the NL last year had a higher than 292 OBP. (Madison Baumgarner's career OBP is .233 and career best is .286) I am sure I can point to some DH's that hit .300+ as well and can point to many Starting pitchers that hit under .100.... I can also point to some number 8 hitters in NL lineups that were pitched around more than number 8 hitters in AL lineups due to the pitcher hitting in the 1-6th innings..

Not many DH's hit 9th or 8th? How many starting pitchers hit 9th or 8th? Why do so many starting pitchers hit 9th? Is it because they are great hitters? There are at least more than a few DH's hitting cleanup or 5th...

at least 16 of the last 20 no hitters (thats a large sample size) have been in NL parks.. like i said ..lets wait to see when the next 2 out of 3 no hitters are in AL parks before analyze more..

[packs]

I just don't think the DH is as good as you think. Greg Vaughn's career as a DH (over 1600 PA's) amounted to a 218 average. Reggie hit 227 as a DH. Adam Dunn hit 200 as a DH. Cecil Cooper hit 261 with a 298 OBP. The DH isn't always a good player.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

How much of a better chance? 10%? Now you see why i get annoyed with the 'almost no hitter' in the NL.....because no hitters in the NL arent even worth the same as AL no hitters...

You can be a pitcher and have a .070 on base percentage on the year ..but try that being a DH..see how long you will stay in the lineup.

Leagues make rule changes based on 20 years of history (thus they look at modern trends as reality) so you cant just say its only 20 years of history and we need to go back to 1970 as someone else stated... Its not even close as far as how many NL no hitters there have been versus AL in the last 20 years. Lets see the next 2 out of 3 no hitters be in AL parks before we bring this back up.

Chase Anderson goes 7 innings of no hit ball? Yet another almost NL no hitter C'mon


Plus 1 hitters with no walks are a lot more impressive than no hitters with 5 walks....chase had at least 3 walks yesterday..

[frankbmd]

So if I am reading this thread correctly, only no-hitters in the American League after the institution of the DH in 1973 are valid.

Therefore Sandy Koufax has zero career no-hitters.

Nolan Ryan had a combination of AL no-hitters and NL almost no-hitters.

I'm not sure if any HOF pitchers have mention of no-hitters on their plaque in Cooperstown, but if so, inserting the word "almost" on their plaque could be problematic. Would an asterisk (a la Maris) be sufficient?

And what about poor Johnny Vandermeer. Would his double no-hitter be wiped off the books completely or would it be considered an "almost" double no-hitter.

In summation, I would be willing to bet that not one of the proponents of the DH rule change for the American League realized that their proposal would invalidate all prior no-hitters.

I say "long live the Almost No-Hitter".

For clarity of the linguistics involved, I would propose a different term for no-hitters broken up in the late innings, and would suggest calling these "Nearly No-Nos".

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

So if I am reading this thread correctly, only no-hitters in the American League after the institution of the DH in 1973 are valid.

Therefore Sandy Koufax has zero career no-hitters.

Nolan Ryan had a combination of AL no-hitters and NL almost no-hitters.

I'm not sure if any HOF pitchers have mention of no-hitters on their plaque in Cooperstown, but if so, inserting the word "almost" on their plaque could be problematic. Would an asterisk (a la Maris) be sufficient?

And what about poor Johnny Vandermeer. Would his double no-hitter be wiped off the books completely or would it be considered an "almost" double no-hitter.

In summation, I would be willing to bet that not one of the proponents of the DH rule change for the American League realized that their proposal would invalidate all prior no-hitters.

I say "long live the Almost No-Hitter".

For clarity of the linguistics involved, I would propose a different term for no-hitters broken up in the late innings, and would suggest calling these "Nearly No-Nos".

No you are not reading it correct. I said after 1973, that NL no hitters are worth MORE than AL no hitters (from 1973 and on) Sandy Koufax is safe.. I proposed 10% more value to the NL no hitter or you can have AL no hitters be worth 10% less. Pitch counts and various other factors I contend are showing that NL no hitters are trending to be much easier. (at least 16 of the last 20 no hitters have been in NL Parks).

It was last year with all of the 'nearly no-no's that occurred in the NL is what made me come up with this. Plus the chris hestons of the world

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Chase Anderson goes 7 innings of no hit ball? Yet another almost NL no hitter C'mon


Plus 1 hitters with no walks are a lot more impressive than no hitters with 5 walks....chase had at least 3 walks yesterday..

Now you're getting wound up about non-no hit games? LOL!


I think I'm going to start an autograph collage. All pitchers (AL only) who had their no-hitters broken up after 7 innings.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Now you're getting wound up about non-no hit games? LOL!


I think I'm going to start an autograph collage. All pitchers (AL only) who had their no-hitters broken up after 7 innings.

I used to email with Brian Holman who lost a perfect game with 2 out in the bottom of the 9th. He gave up a homer to Ken Phelps(his last) before striking out Ricky Henderson to finish the game.

I have a few of his cards autographed, if anybody would like one PM me your address.