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Old 11-08-2017, 06:26 PM
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Simmons, Parker & Garvey. Based on what I saw growing up and looking at the stats now. Just my opinion, feel free to blast away.
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Old 11-08-2017, 07:31 PM
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Honestly I wouldn't be all up in arms if any one of these 10 get in. I'm not a small hall guy that thinks if your name isn't Ruth or Gehrig you shouldn't be in. Morris and TJ are probably the least deserving in my eyes but if they got in it wouldn't be the end of the world. I'm probably biased because I already have their autographs...
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Old 11-08-2017, 07:50 PM
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My head says Trammel, Simmons and Marvin Miller


My heart adds Dale Murphy
This.

Also wondering where Rick Reuschel is.

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Old 11-08-2017, 09:07 PM
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Honestly, I would vote for all 10 of them in the HOF.

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Old 11-08-2017, 10:13 PM
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Honestly, I would vote for all 10 of them in the HOF.



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I agree...good bunch of guys who would add a lot to the Hall. Can you imagine that induction ceremony?!?!?


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Old 11-08-2017, 10:14 PM
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I'd say they all belong (and as one other poster noted, Fred McGriff too, who would be close to the top of my list among those guys).

The hall is way too clubby than it needs to be. Also, you can't go back and kick the guys from the 30s out whose careers fall pretty clearly into what we consider "Hall of Very Good" territory today thanks to basically arbitrary changes in standards over the years. Those guys are the standard for admission, not Ruth.

There is easily enough deserving players out there today to double the HOF population.
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Old 11-09-2017, 03:43 AM
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None of the above unless we want to further expand the Hall of the very good.
Agreed, too many mistakes in the past seems to make the standard low which it shouldn't be. To me, its ridiculous that Andre Dawson is a HOFer and he shouldn't be the standard by which others are judged. No one on that list is worthy.
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Is there a block on Cuban-born candidates?

Neither Tony Oliva nor Minnie Minoso were ever seriously considered...


and Luis Tiant was as good or better than many that are already in the Hall:

Marquard, Rixey, Haines, Drysdale, Bunning and Hunter come to mind.


Didn't Oliva come pretty close to getting in the last time?

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This is what the ballot (player-wise) should look like:

Billy Pierce
Rick Reuschel
Dave Stieb
Bill Freehan
Ted Simmons
Keith Hernandez
Bobby Grich
Willie Randolph
Lou Whitaker
Dick Allen
Ken Boyer
Darrell Evans
Graig Nettles
Alan Trammell
Jimmy Wynn
Dwight Evans
Reggie Smith

These are the players that I feel are no brainer Hall Of Famers

Ted Simmons
Bobby Grich
Dick Allen
Ken Boyer
Dwight Evans

These are the others from the list that I would vote for

Dave Stieb
Keith Hernandez
Lou Whitaker
Graig Nettles
Alan Trammell
Reggie Smith

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Old 11-09-2017, 12:28 PM
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Didn't Oliva come pretty close to getting in the last time?

Honestly, I can't recall how he did in these 'veterans' type 'secondary' votes - and BBR doesn't seem to have records of those previous votes.

I was referring to the BBA voting from which he got 36% his last year on the ballot (1996) and topped out at 47% (1988) - I guess, in retrospect, that's fairly serious consideration, but not at all close to getting in...and, IMO, it is a real shame!
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