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Old 11-10-2017, 05:22 PM
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How does Garvey rank as guys who should be in the Hall but aren't? Any compelling argument he should have gotten in? Admittedly I am not a strong numbers guy at all, but one of my brothers has been beating the drum on Garvey for a while. Any thoughts?
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First basemen statistically better than Garvey and not in the HOF (from his era or before or just after):

Keith Hernandez
John Olerud
Fred McGriff
Will Clark
Norm Cash
Dolph Camilli
Gil Hodges
Don Mattingly
Ed Konetchy
Jack Fournier
Joe Judge
Mark Grace
Fred Tenney
Bill White
Boog Powell
Harry Davis
George Scott

So no.

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With all due respect Tom, none of those players, with the possible exception of McGriff, Hodges and Hernandez, were better than Garvey.

To me, Garvey, as well as McGriff, Hodges and Hernandez, should be in the Hall of Fame.

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His career stats fall (surprisingly) short, but for a significant period of time he was one of the dominant players in the game, so the argument can be made.
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No doubt for a long while Steve Garvey was THE MAN.
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Andres Gallaraga too i think should of gotten a better look but Mcgriff tops the list for players in the last 40 years..not garvey
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With all due respect Tom, none of those players, with the possible exception of McGriff, Hodges and Hernandez, were better than Garvey.

To me, Garvey, as well as McGriff, Hodges and Hernandez, should be in the Hall of Fame.

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JAWS ranks Garvey as the 51st best 1B of all time. Behind all of the above players. A statistical argument could be made for every player on that list being better than Garvey.

I could also make the argument that Ron Fairly was Garvey's equal.

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JAWS ranks Garvey as the 51st best 1B of all time. Behind all of the above players. A statistical argument could be made for every player on that list being better than Garvey.

I could also make the argument that Ron Fairly was Garvey's equal.

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Well, the only JAWS I've ever heard of are the movie, Richard Kiel's James Bond character, and Ron Jaworski.

I also only compare players against their peers, look at the stats, and then whatever "intangibles" there are. So really, from your list, I would only compare Garvey to Hernandez. I would honestly induct both of them.

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Well, the only JAWS I've ever heard of are the movie, Richard Kiel's James Bond character, and Ron Jaworski.

I also only compare players against their peers, look at the stats, and then whatever "intangibles" there are. So really, from your list, I would only compare Garvey to Hernandez. I would honestly induct both of them.

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How about Ron Fairly? Please take note of Garvey's terrible plate discipline versus Fairly's excellent plate discipline, and also the fact that Fairly's best years were spent on expansion teams where he didn't have the RBI opportunities that Garvey had. Career OPS+ is exactly the same for both. Really the difference between the two is Garvey's extensive post season career. Fairly was a .300 postseason hitter but didn't get the opportunities Garvey did.

If Garvey is a HOFer Fairly likely is as well.

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How about Boog Powell? Much better hitter than Garvey. Solid defense as well. Certainly much better arm than candy armed Garvey.

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