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Old 04-05-2018, 10:50 PM
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Arrow 1958 Topps Master Set

So I am trying to put together the complete checklist of the 534 cards
that beckett lists as the master set compared to the 494 listed as the regular set.

With the 33 yellow variations, that makes 527.
What are the other 7 cards?

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I'm doing this set.
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Old 04-05-2018, 10:59 PM
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Herrera, 4 Variation CL, contest card and felt emblem. I may consider selling one of my 4 Herrera errors.
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Old 04-05-2018, 11:17 PM
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Ok thanks.
Anymore details on those?
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Four of the team checklists have both checkbox and alphabetical variations. Both types seem commonly available.

The felt emblems insert and contest card are also plentiful...I don't know much about them but I believe the PSA site has a couple of articles about the set that go into some detail.

There are also a few possible variations not in the master set. There's a Billy Hoeft card with a small yellow triangle by his foot. There is also a claim of a blue background Hank Aaron but some think those are just faded.

In addition, card #145 was never issued but Bob Lemke made a custom version of it, which may or may not be obtainable now.
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Old 04-06-2018, 09:11 AM
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Thanks for the info Scott.

So the Kubek and others with the different color backgrounds don't count?
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Old 04-06-2018, 10:48 AM
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Contest card, Emblem offer and unopened 1 cent pack ( far below). The 5 cent pack from 1958..and 1956...are the hardest Topps packs to get in my experience. Griffins who posts here has one. Also a weird Grissom

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Card 44, Washington Team card and second series checklist does list card 145 as Ed Bouche. On card 134 the Phillies team card and another checklist 2 omits card 145 which was not issued. Bouche had been suspended from baseball by then for one year. I used to wonder if any proof card of Bouche exists but none has surfaced. Bob Lemke did produce two alternate versions. Cards 135 and 142 below have related back defects ( pretty scarce). The Consolo is a recurring print defect



Burk has many a defect, Pearrson was an early dot com and Whammy has a top recurring border defect



Sisler has a lot of weird bottom right border variants and the aforementioned Hoeft can be found with red and yellow triangles near the logo as well as with YL and W letters




I like my weird Herrera Herrera more than my Herrer, which is really just another scarce recurring print defect


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Old 04-06-2018, 10:59 AM
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Emblems. These were recently reproduced in a Heritage offering so be careful in trying to purchase one of the 58s



5 cent wrapper

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Old 04-06-2018, 04:27 PM
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Looks like I have a lot more to pick up!

I've noticed a lot of the Ray Moore cards have a big dot on his forehead.

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Old 04-06-2018, 05:55 PM
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Good one Scott. Fairly common recurring print defect

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Old 04-06-2018, 07:14 PM
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Wow. A guy could spend a lot of time just collecting all of the printing variations. So whats the story of the totally different background color for the Kubek and Martin, I believe?

Thanks for sharing all of those cards Al. Is this one of your favorite sets?

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Old 04-06-2018, 10:23 PM
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Least favorite of the 50s sets. But an interesting one
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Old 04-07-2018, 08:45 AM
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If you want to be really serious about it, there's a contest card with a June 30 deadline and one with a July 8 deadline. I think the cards are the same otherwise. I recently completed this set with the felt emblem card and a June 30 contest card. So far I have resisted the temptation to pick up a July 8 card as well.
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My problem is that I'm a completist! If everyone would kindly stop informing me about additional variations I might be able to finish the set.


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If you want to be really serious about it, there's a contest card with a June 30 deadline and one with a July 8 deadline. I think the cards are the same otherwise. I recently completed this set with the felt emblem card and a June 30 contest card. So far I have resisted the temptation to pick up a July 8 card as well.
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Given that Scott, avoid wandering into the never ending variations thread in here ��

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Given that Scott, avoid wandering into the never ending variations thread in her
Yeah, that one will either make you crazy or drive the completist right out of you.
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Old 04-07-2018, 06:24 PM
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Avalande 2006 - Don't worry about all the print variations. These are never listed as legitimate variations, merely print or ink variations. If I see a big dot on a card I usually throw it out , these cards were always considered damaged ( lower condition) by my customers when I was a full time dealer.

I've been collecting since the 1950's and a 1958 Topps Master Set would be considered complete "by most" at 535. Basic set is 494 + 33 color variations + 4 Team Checklists ( alpha or Numberical # 377,397,408 and 428 ) + Herrera correction/error and # 13 Hoeft (also a "orange" triangle variation by foot ) ( which are the only print variations in this set the hobby has accepted over time) + contest card + felt emblem Insert card ). That's 535. Plus a Wrapper would be nice to finish off the set !!!! Let us know if you get to this level !!! Good Luck Collecting ! The 1958 Set was my first complete set as a kid !

Note: I don't believe a stray dot here or there on a card will ever be listed in any price guide I know of. Please advise if wrong, I didn't stay at an Holiday Inn Express recently.
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I've alway felt that the total was 535. You have 494 regular + 33 Yellow +
4 Team Checklist Numberical + contest card + felt elbum insert + Herrera error and card #13 Hoeft with white name and Red triangle.The card is not a print error (dot,missing color) but an example of how the card was printed during the run between the yellow and white name versions.
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Keith: You are right, I forgot completely about the Hoeft card. 535 is good with me. I was just editing my post when you found my omission. Thanks
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So I have the Hoeft with white letters and yellow triangle.
Which version am I lacking for the set?
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Cards #13 Comes in 3 versions
(1) Hoeft name Yellow with Red triangle to the right of the Tigers emblem
(2) Hoeft name White with a yellow triangle
(3) The rarest Hoeft name White with a Red triangle

There are photos of all 3 versions earlier in this thread
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Cards #13 Comes in 3 versions
(1) Hoeft name Yellow with Red triangle to the right of the Tigers emblem
(2) Hoeft name White with a yellow triangle
(3) The rarest Hoeft name White with a Red triangle

There are photos of all 3 versions earlier in this thread
So the one I have is the regular version with the white name/red triangle being card 535 in the set?
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Mike -- what is your definition of a true variation ? Would it include the 58 Herrer, the 57 Bakep, the 52 Campos Black Star, the 67 Moeller white streak, the 61 Fairly green in the ball on the back ?

Do you know one when you see one or rely on someone else to tell you what are true variations . No offense intended , who would have thought the 61 Fairly would be a recognized variation. Would the Herrer and Bakep make the cut post Internet ? Should there be a hobby accepted definition of a variation ? Collect what you like . I do. Hobby recognition does drive value, but is the 61 Fairly a print dot in your view ?

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No I don't know much about variations.
I am simply trying to complete my 3 sets.
The 1959 and 1960 are definite on what is the complete set.
I have found, however, that 1958 is not so defined.
I have decided to go for the full "master set", and just need to know what that is.
I appreciate all of the input. I am now more clear on what to focus on.

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Mike -- what is your definition of a true variation ? Would it include the 58 Herrer, the 57 Bakep, the 52 Campos Black Star, the 67 Moeller white streak, the 61 Fairly green in the ball on the back ?

Do you know one when you see one or rely on someone else to tell you what are true variations . No offense intended , who would have thought the 61 Fairly would be a recognized variation. Would the Herrer and Bakep make the cut post Internet ? Should there be a hobby accepted definition of a variation ? Collect what you like . I do. Hobby recognition does drive value, but is the 61 Fairly a print dot in your view ?
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Enjoy the quest Avalanche.
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Could someone please post scans of the 1958 Topps contest cards? I don’t believe I have ever seen them, thanks.
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I have seen July 8, but not June 30.
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1958 Topps - Bazooka Contest #NoN - Baseball Contest [Poor*to*Fair]
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The June 30 date is on the back.
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Avalande 2006 - Don't worry about all the print variations. These are never listed as legitimate variations, merely print or ink variations. If I see a big dot on a card I usually throw it out , these cards were always considered damaged ( lower condition) by my customers when I was a full time dealer.

I've been collecting since the 1950's and a 1958 Topps Master Set would be considered complete "by most" at 535. Basic set is 494 + 33 color variations + 4 Team Checklists ( alpha or Numberical # 377,397,408 and 428 ) + Herrera correction/error and # 13 Hoeft (also a "orange" triangle variation by foot ) ( which are the only print variations in this set the hobby has accepted over time) + contest card + felt emblem Insert card ). That's 535. Plus a Wrapper would be nice to finish off the set !!!! Let us know if you get to this level !!! Good Luck Collecting ! The 1958 Set was my first complete set as a kid !

Note: I don't believe a stray dot here or there on a card will ever be listed in any price guide I know of. Please advise if wrong, I didn't stay at an Holiday Inn Express recently.
Wish I was one of your customers with access to your garbage can. I agree with your description of them not being real variations but I am one of many that collect print errors.

Here are a couple of my favorite 58's. Both have had some "work" done to them.
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1958 Topps - Bazooka Contest #NoN - Baseball Contest [Poor*to*Fair]
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The June 30 date is on the back.
I need to see the back.
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I remember when the 1962 Topps "Green" variations were considered trash and most were thrown out by Topps. I received a caseload in the '70's I think it was from a dealer Woody Gelman ??? out of New York area. I think he got a lot of the print and scrap from Topps.

I agree everyone should collect what they enjoy !!! It's a great hobby with a lot of unique collecting options ( specific player, Team, variations, specific year, specific company , food issues etc, etc.)
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I need to see the back.
Click on the picture and it will take you to the card that you can turn over.
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If you want to be really serious about it, there's a contest card with a June 30 deadline and one with a July 8 deadline. I think the cards are the same otherwise. I recently completed this set with the felt emblem card and a June 30 contest card. So far I have resisted the temptation to pick up a July 8 card as well.
I think both those dates appear on all the contest cards, one is the entry deadline ( June 30) and the other is the date of the All Star Game ( July 8)---right ?
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I agree everyone should collect what they enjoy !!! It's a great hobby with a lot of unique collecting options ( specific player, Team, variations, specific year, specific company , food issues etc, etc.)[/quote]

Agreed Mike

I think the green tints, which as Darren has previously pointed out PSA and sellers often fail to properly distinguish, were the result of an intentional second printing by a separate printing company. I think they were retailed and while not as plentiful as the first run cards, are not really scarce.
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Not part of a master set

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Isn't the Herrer the error version?
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Yes, that one likely counts
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Yes, that one likely counts
Any chance its available?
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