John Buccigross texts -

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

This sexual harassment and #MeToo crap is dangerous and has gotten way out of hand.

For the record, my fiancee and I met when she was my boss. As long as it's kept professional at work, they didn't care.

I think we can all agree that flirting with someone,while inappropriate in some situations, is not that big a deal in others. There is a lot of distance between flirting with someone and repeatedly demanding sex as a way of getting ahead professionally, pushing someone against a wall, locking them in an office, or worse.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

I think we can all agree that flirting with someone,while inappropriate in some situations, is not that big a deal in others. There is a lot of distance between flirting with someone and repeatedly demanding sex as a way of getting ahead professionally, pushing someone against a wall, locking them in an office, or worse.

I also do think along with the power dynamic you need to see who the alleged victim is

I think most of you thought lawrence was a 22 year old out of college lady getting a foothold in the business.

instead she is a big time attorney and professor and oversaw 45 attorneys who each of those lawyers had to making over 6 figures.....she likely has over millions in earnings in her career..... the law firms she worked for (in a management role )are the top earners in the country

i think the wolf and the lamb are a bit reversed here......she didnt mind the attention and was not naive.....im sure any of her male colleagues were not inviting Bucci for carrot cake and arranging late night dinners..

[HRBAKER]

How many married men text shirtless pictures of themselves to other women. Must be a fairly common occurrence and I am way behind the times again. Criminal, probably not, stupid and ill-advised in this situation - yes.

[packs]

That's the thing, this is an issue of professionalism. These texts from him are clearly not professional and nothing would convince me they were. Cake and dinners are not invitations for sex and that's exactly the kind of thinking that people are trying to end. Just because a woman is nice to you or would like to have a professional relationship with you, that's not an invitation for constant flirting or unsolicited photos of your body.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

That's the thing, this is an issue of professionalism. These texts from him are clearly not professional and nothing would convince me they were. Cake and dinners are not invitations for sex and that's exactly the kind of thinking that people are trying to end. Just because a woman is nice to you or would like to have a professional relationship with you, that's not an invitation for constant flirting or unsolicited photos of your body.

What are invitations for sex? Everything doesnt always point A to B. Dinner and drinks after 9 pm can lead to sex sometimes

In the texts back and forth she didnt stop texting him after the photo...so you cant say its unsolicited, there is some type of approval going on, as she continues to text him She isnt a 22 year old out of school....shes a 14 year experienced big time attorney (with sex descrim cases that she has handled no less on her record)

Just because a woman wants to be your friend doesnt mean a man has to be their friend. For lots of people in their busy lives, they have time for a girlfriend but not another friend. He may already have lots of friends. She had unique access to him that her male colleague likely did not. She played a part in all of this is all that i am saying, its not like she just got out of college etc.

I know if i asked a guy i just met if i can meet him for dinner and invite him over a night for carrot cake, you can say all you want about professionalism etc, society would view that as a bid odd especially early early on in knowing someone. Change the guy to a younger woman meeting with a man, and not sure what change of thinking would be needed. Can always do lunch meetings during the work day, that screams professionalism to me versus late night dinners and carrot cakes at someone's house but maybe thats just me.

If you could tell that he wanted more than just dinner, how come she couldn't...

[HRBAKER]

I guess if we find out she sent him a shirtless photo then we could make an inference...............

[Snapolit1]

It’s not that difficult. Ask yourself how cool you would be with some dude doing this to your daughter. Probably not one bit. You’d want to hunt him down and bust his kneecaps. Same answer when it’s someone else’s daughter.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

I guess if we find out she sent him a shirtless photo then we could make an inference...............

how many younger good looking woman have you invited over for late night carrot cake....

that could appear to be as much as an overture as sending a male photo with no shirt on..