enough is enough

[Peter_Spaeth]

[QUOTE=cammb;1706309]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

So his military service should be discounted because he was drafted instead of enlisted, and he had a right to protest because he could prove, in a manner satisfactory to you and/or others, that he was an actual victim of oppression.


I really feel sorry for these poor oppressed football players. Maybe we should set a fund to help them through their oppression

You are missing the point entirely.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Did Jackie ever get down on all fours and raise his leg pretending to piss like a dog in celebration?

[samosa4u]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Did Jackie ever get down on all fours and raise his leg pretending to piss like a dog in celebration?

Wtf??? lol

Dude, what are you on?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

Wtf??? lol

Dude, what are you on?

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...icle-1.3518225

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

Wtf???

Wtf??? is right. We have black athletes wanting to kneel for the National Anthem to bring awareness to their perceived racial injustice and be taken seriously, but then later get down on all fours and raise their leg pretending to piss like a dog. The NFL has become a joke. Agree or not, you can't dispute the fact their ratings are down. I can honestly say that I didn't watch a single game today, not even any highlights.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Wtf??? is right. We have black athletes wanting to kneel for the National Anthem to bring awareness to their perceived racial injustice and be taken seriously, but then later get down on all fours and raise their leg pretending to piss like a dog. The NFL has become a joke. Agree or not, you can't dispute the fact their ratings are down. I can honestly say that I didn't watch a single game today, not even any highlights.

Then you missed a terrific game by your local team.

[Dewey]

Do people of color face discrimination from law enforcement? If so, how can we stop this discrimination?

Show concern for those two questions and the protests stop (edit- maybe not, the unity against Trump might continue to inspire). But we'd rather argue over flags, anthems, and protesting at work. Whatever keeps us from the real issue.

If there is data that shows discrimination, but then no collective will to fix it, what might that say?

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016...ce-racial-bias

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Dewey

Do people of color face discrimination from law enforcement? If so, how can we stop this discrimination?

Show concern for those two questions and the protests stop (edit- maybe not, the unity against Trump might continue to inspire). But we'd rather argue over flags, anthems, and protesting at work. Whatever keeps us from the real issue.

If there is data that shows discrimination, but then no collective will to fix it, what might that say?

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016...ce-racial-bias

I guess it depends on the data you pick and choose. Can we use my data from a black man?

http://video.foxnews.com/v/559303622...#sp=show-clips

[KMayUSA6060]

Originally Posted by Dewey

Do people of color face discrimination from law enforcement? If so, how can we stop this discrimination?

Show concern for those two questions and the protests stop (edit- maybe not, the unity against Trump might continue to inspire). But we'd rather argue over flags, anthems, and protesting at work. Whatever keeps us from the real issue.

If there is data that shows discrimination, but then no collective will to fix it, what might that say?

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016...ce-racial-bias

This all depends on 2 things...

1) Which data (as David stated) you choose to believe.

2) If you believe the "victims" of these law enforcement situations (Michael Brown, Travyon Martin, etc.) are truly innocent or not.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

Wtf??? lol

Dude, what are you on?

No tell Odell

[nolemmings]

[QUOTE=Peter_Spaeth;1706326]

Originally Posted by cammb

You are missing the point entirely.

He's not alone. The ignorance in this thread is breathtaking, although I suspect some of it isn't just ignorance.

[cammb]

[QUOTE=nolemmings;1706371]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

He's not alone. The ignorance in this thread is breathtaking, although I suspect some of it isn't just ignorance.

The ignorance is on your part. And your suspicions are that I am a racist? People like you like to throw that word around when you have no answers.

[Cliff Bowman]

The ignorance is on your part. And your suspicions are that I am a racist? People like you like to throw that word around when you have no answers.[/QUOTE]

Can you edit the quote? It makes it appear that Peter Spaeth said it when it was actually nolemmings. ETA, now it's doing it to me unless it's just my computer.

[nolemmings]

[QUOTE=cammb;1706404]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

The ignorance is on your part. And your suspicions are that I am a racist? People like you like to throw that word around when you have no answers.

There is no ignorance on my part, of that I am certain. Answers? You can't handle answers--they escape you, you deflect them, or they are simply beyond your comprehension. So let me see if I can make this more clear.

There will be no firings for kneeling at the National Anthem.
There could be no firings absent formal action taken through the CBA, which the owners would lose. Following along so far?
Whether the players are themselves oppressed is irrelevant. I'm a 58 year-old white guy who never served in the military. Do I have no right to join those who have been oppressed and protest with them at what I believe to be injustice? Or do I have to pass some exam satisfactory to you that I have such a right? Who are you to tell me what causes I may protest and those I cannot? And if I'm allowed to join a protest, where do you draw the line at who else can and cannot? There are white players kneeling in these protests. Do they need to prove to you that and how they've been mistreated? Is there a Jackie Robinson test? (Apparently he earned the right to not salute the flag or stand for the anthem.) Don't worry, it was a rhetorical question--the Answer is no.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

There will be no firings for kneeling at the National Anthem.

What team is Colin Kaepernick playing for?

[cammb]

[QUOTE=nolemmings;1706416]

Originally Posted by cammb

There is no ignorance on my part, of that I am certain. Answers? You can't handle answers--they escape you, you deflect them, or they are simply beyond your comprehension. So let me see if I can make this more clear.

There will be no firings for kneeling at the National Anthem.
There could be no firings absent formal action taken through the CBA, which the owners would lose. Following along so far?
Whether the players are themselves oppressed is irrelevant. I'm a 58 year-old white guy who never served in the military. Do I have no right to join those who have been oppressed and protest with them at what I believe to be injustice? Or do I have to pass some exam satisfactory to you that I have such a right? Who are you to tell me what causes I may protest and those I cannot? And if I'm allowed to join a protest, where do you draw the line at who else can and cannot? There are white players kneeling in these protests. Do they need to prove to you that and how they've been mistreated? Is there a Jackie Robinson test? (Apparently he earned the right to not salute the flag or stand for the anthem.) Don't worry, it was a rhetorical question--the Answer is no.

Let me see if I can make it clear for you, I did not say hey will be fired I said they CAN BE fired. Where do you come off with this insane diatribe? I know who you are and what you represent so please no holier than thou bs

[nolemmings]

[QUOTE=cammb;1706659]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Let me see if I can make it clear for you, I did not say hey will be fired I said they CAN BE fired. Where do you come off with this insane diatribe? I know who you are and what you represent so please no holier than thou bs

You don't know me or what I represent. You know who I am, i.e., my name, because I state my full name per forum rules and because I would anyway. In the words of Roger Daltrey, "Who the f--- are you?"

[Cliff Bowman]

[QUOTE=nolemmings;1706670]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

You don't know me or what I represent. You know who I am, i.e., my name, because I state my full name per forum rules and because I would anyway. In the words of Roger Daltrey, "Who the f--- are you?"

Those are the words of Pete Townshend, voice of Roger Daltrey. Daltrey couldn't write a decent song if his life depended on it.

[nolemmings]

BTW, I am not holier than thou or holier than anyone. It is not me who is telling others what they must do to show they are "real Americans", "respectful Americans" or "Patriots". Seriously, re-read the thread and tell us who comes across as "holier than thou".

[cammb]

[QUOTE=nolemmings;1706670][QUOTE=cammb;1706659]

You don't know me or what I represent. You know who I am, i.e., my name, because I state my full name per forum rules and because I would anyway. In the words of Roger Daltrey, "Who the f--- are you?"[/QUOTE

OK, calm down, snowflake!

[chaddurbin]

[QUOTE=nolemmings;1706371]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

He's not alone. The ignorance in this thread is breathtaking, although I suspect some of it isn't just ignorance.

scary huh? why are you and peter still in this thread? are you honestly trying to change their minds?