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[packs]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

If you're speaking for the opposition, then I have a question. You tell us what they don't want (abolition of the 2nd Ammendment), but how about telling us what the do want? All I hear from the left are vague terms like "gun control measures." What does that even mean?

I think that's what makes a lot of gun owners nervous. When the left isn't specific about what they want, then how is the right supposed to interpret that, other than a total gun ban? Again, if that's not what they want, then tell us what they do want. Be specific.

One thing I would love to see is a national gun registry. There is no logical reason why it doesn't exist, but it is currently against federal law to develop one. The DMV has a national registry for motor vehicles but there is no national registry for firearms.

[barrysloate]

David- that's a very fair question and you know what? I don't have an answer. You are correct that the gun control people can be vague.

But you know what I would like? To have a reasonable discussion with gun rights people like yourself- and I know you know a whole lot more about guns than I do- and not have insults thrown at me. Calling me a snowflake won't get the job done.

All either side wants is for the other side to listen.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by packs

One thing I would love to see is a national gun registry. There is no logical reason why it doesn't exist, but it is currently against federal law to develop one. The DMV has a national registry for motor vehicles but there is no national registry for firearms.

As a law abiding gun owner, I wouldn't have an objection that, but I'm just not sure what it accomplishes?

To me, it would be just about as effective as a so-called background check.

[packs]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

As a law abiding gun owner, I wouldn't have an objection that, but I'm just not sure what it accomplishes?

To me, it would be just about as effective as a so-called background check.

I can think of several law enforcement applications. One is simple in that if I shoot you in Texas with my gun that I bought in Illinois, local law enforcement is going to be severely handicapped in solving the crime. Even if I left the gun at the scene, they'd have no way to trace it back to me unless they knew where I purchased it, and even then the state I purchased the gun in may protect me even further. It is unlawful to have any type of database in some states.

[clydepepper]

Specifics?

Okay. Let's have some! PLEASE!!!

Everyone who has a suggestion, speak up?


The question is this:

WHAT actions will work, in your opinion, to decrease the growing number of mass shootings?


Take any stance you want, just say something that YOU think will work!


I will start us off by believing that thorough background checks could eliminate folks with mental issues from being eligible to own a firearm of any kind.


Their absolute right to bare arms should be usurped by the need to keep others safe from attacks like the kinds we have been experiencing.


To paraphrase what I have stated in my post signature, ALL of our rights as Americans come with an understood equal hand of responsibility and accountability.


Those are words I have lived by all my live and I find it difficult for imagine anyone could make a valid argument against them.



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[Jim65]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

Specifics?

Okay. Let's have some! PLEASE!!!

Everyone who has a suggestion, speak up?


The question is this:

WHAT actions will work, in your opinion, to decrease the growing number of mass shootings?


Take any stance you want, just say something that YOU think will work!


I will start us off by believing that thorough background checks could eliminate folks with mental issues from being eligible to own a firearm of any kind.

Only legally. I'm sure if someone is considering shooting up a school, they aren't going to worry about the consequences of owning an illegal firearm.

Times have changed Schools security should be treated like at airports, prisons, and court houses. But how many Teens died because of texting while driving, alcohol and illegal drugs

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by rgpete

Times have changed Schools security should be treated like at airports, prisons, and court houses. But how many Teens died because of texting while driving, alcohol and illegal drugs

I am all for doing something about those texting while driving. Avoiding those morons is a full time job while driving or going for a walk. I have really noticed how bad it is while walking recently. I would say close to 25% of people I see are on their phones. It absolutely amazes me how there are not way more accidents/deaths because of them.

Last year I had a police officer almost hit me head on because he was playing on his phone. When we passed each other over half his car was in my lane.

On the school gun thing. Now we have a police officer at each school. When I was in HS about 20% of the vehicles(all unlocked) had guns in them and there was never a problem. I live in a rural area so many of us hunted on the way to and from school.

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by packs

One thing I would love to see is a national gun registry. There is no logical reason why it doesn't exist, but it is currently against federal law to develop one. The DMV has a national registry for motor vehicles but there is no national registry for firearms.

yeah, that's great this way a tyrannical govt will have a nice list in which to round up all those they oppose.. How very Stalin of you....

[packs]

Originally Posted by bravos4evr

yeah, that's great this way a tyrannical govt will have a nice list in which to round up all those they oppose.. How very Stalin of you....

That's a paranoid view of the government, no? You have to register benign things like your car, your property, even drones and dogs. But you don't think you should register a firearm?

There are 37 states where you can privately purchase a gun without any form of registration or back ground check at all. Those 37 states should, in my opinion, compel people who purchase a firearm to alert some type of regulatory agency to the fact that they've purchased a gun.

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by packs

That's a paranoid view of the government, no? You have to register benign things like your car, your property, even drones and dogs. But you don't think you should register a firearm?

There are 37 states where you can privately purchase a gun without any form of registration or back ground check at all. Those 37 states should, in my opinion, compel people who purchase a firearm to alert some type of regulatory agency to the fact that they've purchased a gun.

anyone who would give up their liberty for the sake of safety deserves neither.

what right does govt have to keep tabs on LAW ABIDING GUN OWNERS?

none

what right do you have to have a list to keep tabs on you neighbors?

I believe you have no inalienable right to own a car, do you? you do to protect yourself.

not to mention that background checks, do nothing to stop crime, gun bans do nothing to stop crime

burden of proof lies on the gun grabbers, btw, I have the bill of rights and the 2nd amendment on my side.

[packs]

Originally Posted by bravos4evr

anyone who would give up their liberty for the sake of safety deserves neither.

what right does govt have to keep tabs on LAW ABIDING GUN OWNERS?

none

what right do you have to have a list to keep tabs on you neighbors?

I believe you have no inalienable right to own a car, do you? you do to protect yourself.

not to mention that background checks, do nothing to stop crime, gun bans do nothing to stop crime

burden of proof lies on the gun grabbers, btw, I have the bill of rights and the 2nd amendment on my side.

That is an interesting point but because it's an inalienable right doesn't mean there can't be laws regarding the right. There are many laws that relate to firearms. I'm in favor of a registry. A registry does not suggest repossession or surveillance in my mind.

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by packs

That is an interesting point but because it's an inalienable right doesn't mean there can't be laws regarding the right. There are many laws that relate to firearms. I'm in favor of a registry. A registry does not suggest repossession or surveillance in my mind.

a registry by it's nature is potentially something to be abused by govt.

you may think govt is this wonderful thing designed to take care of you and rub your head while you go to sleep. I happen to know it isn't, it's generally a terrible way to solve most anything.

there will never be a gun registry because we shall never allow it. It really is that simple.