W600 Sporting Life Cabinets - different mount types

[Vintageclout]

Originally Posted by Baseball Rarities

Type 1: 1902
Type 2: end of 1902 through middle of 1903
Type 3: middle of 1903 through end of 1903, maybe beginning of 1904
Type 4: 1904 until the end

I can go into more detail if anyone has a specific question.

Just for reference, here is a Type 4 Wagner that just sold in Heritage. It is dated on the back May 23, 1906, so I assume that was when the person received the cabinet.

Hi Kevin....Joe T. Do you know the release date for the Type 2 Street Clorhes Wagner? Curious to know if it was issued before the end of 1902 or in 1903. Thx Kevin!

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by Vintageclout

Hi Kevin....Joe T. Do you know the release date for the Type 2 Street Clorhes Wagner? Curious to know if it was issued before the end of 1902 or in 1903. Thx Kevin!

Hey Joe - You would have to assume that the type 2s of Wagner were produced at the same time as all of the other original type 2s, which was in November of 1902. AFAIK, there is no way to know when the SL ran out of type 1 Wagners and began shipping the type 2s.

Other type 2 players, such as Mathewson, can be more definitively dated. Mathewson was not offered by the SL until January 31, 1903, so his card obviously would not date from 1902.

The way that I was able to date the four different mounts was by studying when each of the HOFers was first offered by the SL in their newspaper and then comparing that with what the mounts were known for the cabinets that exist of that player. For example, Brown was first offered in their October 1, 1904 issues. AFAIK, Brown is only known with a type 4 mount. On the other hand, Bresnahan and Burkett was first offered in their September 26, 1903 issue and are both known with type 3 mounts.

I went through and did the same thing with all 37 HOFers that appear in the set and created a matrix based on when they were first offered and what mounts are known to exist. In addition, I have done the same with lots of "common" players as well. So far, I have not found a single card that falls outside of the date range that I originally posted.

[BeanTown]

The one on the left is the earliest mount Cy Young is on which is a type 1 (thanks Kevin). The one on the right is Cy on a type 4 mount.

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by BeanTown

The one on the left is the earliest mount Cy Young is on which is a type 2. The one on the right is Cy on a type 4 mount.

The one on the left is a type 1.

[h2oya311]

Oh, and my Joss fits the bill as well, being on a Type 3 cabinet (1903-04). I have certainly seen plenty of Type 4's w/ this same image:



My question to everyone (ahem, Kevin) is, does a Type 3 exist of Ed Walsh (first issued in 1904)?

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by h2oya311

Oh, and my Joss fits the bill as well, being on a Type 3 cabinet (1903-04).

My question to everyone (ahem, Kevin) is, does a Type 3 exist of Ed Walsh (first issued in 1904)?

Joss was first offered on May 23, 1903. I have never seen a Type 2, but it should exist. There were a total of 8 HOFers (J. Collins, Griffith, Mathewson, Davis, Joss, Flick, Bender and Willis) that were first issued between Jan 31, 1903 and August 8, 1903. Joss is the only one that I have not seen with a type 2 mount.

Ed Walsh was not issued until October 1, 1904. He is only known with a type 4 mount. Same exact thing with Three Finger Brown.

[h2oya311]

Thanks Kevin! Very helpful!

Crum, I saw the type 2 Bender in the latest REA auction, but didn't have this new info at my disposal at the time. I would have certainly made a run for that example. Poop.