NonSports Forum

Net54baseball.com
Welcome to Net54baseball.com. These forums are devoted to both Pre- and Post- war baseball cards and vintage memorabilia, as well as other sports. There is a separate section for Buying, Selling and Trading - the B/S/T area!! If you write anything concerning a person or company your full name needs to be in your post or obtainable from it. . Contact the moderator at leon@net54baseball.com should you have any questions or concerns. When you click on links to eBay on this site and make a purchase, this can result in this site earning a commission. Affiliate programs and affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network. Enjoy!
Net54baseball.com
Net54baseball.com
ebay GSB
T206s on eBay
Babe Ruth Cards on eBay
t206 Ty Cobb on eBay
Ty Cobb Cards on eBay
Lou Gehrig Cards on eBay
Baseball T201-T217 on eBay
Baseball E90-E107 on eBay
T205 Cards on eBay
Baseball Postcards on eBay
Goudey Cards on eBay
Baseball Memorabilia on eBay
Baseball Exhibit Cards on eBay
Baseball Strip Cards on eBay
Baseball Baking Cards on eBay
Sporting News Cards on eBay
Play Ball Cards on eBay
Joe DiMaggio Cards on eBay
Mickey Mantle Cards on eBay
Bowman 1951-1955 on eBay
Football Cards on eBay

Go Back   Net54baseball.com Forums > Net54baseball Main Forum - WWII & Older Baseball Cards > Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 07-14-2012, 05:40 PM
aelefson aelefson is offline
Alan Elefson
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: MA
Posts: 1,204
Default Baseball Tradecard Questions

Hi-
I recently acquired the baseball themed tradecard scanned below and I was wondering if someone could help answer a few questions I have regarding it. Despite the huge scan the card is 3 inches tall and 4.25 inches wide. Is this a known baseball themed tradecard? I ask this because of how white mine is but I realize it was probably just stuck in a well preserved scrapbook for 120 years. Are there any other baseball tradecards that show the umpire in a cage like this one? Any photos that depict that or is it just for comic effect in this image? Assuming it is a legitimate 19th century baseball tradecard it is now one of my favorites. Please show your own favorite baseball tradecard as well.
Thanks in advance,
Alan Elefson
aelefson@hotmail.com
Attached Images
File Type: jpg jjDYS.jpg (81.3 KB, 263 views)

Last edited by Leon; 07-14-2012 at 05:45 PM. Reason: resized picture
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 07-14-2012, 09:17 PM
jcmtiger's Avatar
jcmtiger jcmtiger is offline
Joe M.
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 2,236
Default

Have never seen this card, but looks new.

Joe
__________________
"Ty Cobb, Spikes Flying"

Collecting Detroit 19th Century N172, N173, N175.
N172 Detroit. Getzein, McGlone, Rooks, Wheelock, Gillligan, Kid Baldwin Error, Lady Baldwin, Conway, Deacon White

Positive transactions with Joe G, Jay Miller, CTANK80, BIGFISH, MGHPRO, k. DIXON, LEON, INSIDETHEWRAPPER, GOCUBSGO32, Steve Suckow, RAINIER2004, Ben Yourg, GNAZ01, yanksrnice09, cmiz5290, Kris Sweckard (Kris19),Angyal, Chuck Tapia,Belfast1933,bcbgcbrcb,fusorcruiser, tsp06, cobbcobb13
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 07-14-2012, 11:28 PM
drc drc is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 2,621
Default

I've not seen it before. The bird cage was for comic effect. A fair number of 1800s trade cards were intentionally comical.

If it didn't contain wood pulp, the paper could remain white all these years. Wood pulp is what makes 1900s newspapers turn brown and brittle, and it wasn't used in early paper. Counterintuitively, 1800s paper can be whiter and brighter than 1950s paper.

Last edited by drc; 07-14-2012 at 11:43 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 07-15-2012, 04:59 AM
barrysloate barrysloate is offline
Barry Sloate
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Posts: 8,293
Default

Currier and Ives issued a number of baseball lithographs that depicted African-Americans using less than flattering stereotypes. Among them were umpires wearing birdcages over their heads for protection. The notion that umpiring was a dangerous avocation goes back to baseball's earliest days.

That is a nice trade card and from the scan looks real to me. But you have to examine the paper in hand to be sure.

Last edited by barrysloate; 07-15-2012 at 05:00 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 07-15-2012, 07:22 AM
aelefson aelefson is offline
Alan Elefson
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: MA
Posts: 1,204
Default

Thank you for everyone's help! Having it in hand, it does appear to be real but I will double check it with a blacklight and a loupe later this week. My small amount of googling thus far shows that the company produced organs and their name is found on other tradecards of the era. And thank you to David and Barry for the historical insights. I doubted the cage was ever actually used but I had no idea there are other images out there. I might have stumbled upon a new area to collect (images showing the umpire in a cage).
Thanks again,
Alan
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 07-15-2012, 12:37 PM
drc drc is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 2,621
Default

Just going by your scan, I would guess it is genuine.

Last edited by drc; 07-15-2012 at 12:40 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 07-15-2012, 12:50 PM
oaks1912 oaks1912 is offline
Mark Macrae
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Greater Bay Area
Posts: 383
Default

The card is listed in Frank Keetz' Baseball Advertising Trade Card checklist, under single cards with titles. He indicates that this is the only baseball image in a multi-sport set
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 07-15-2012, 04:30 PM
aelefson aelefson is offline
Alan Elefson
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: MA
Posts: 1,204
Default

Thanks Mark! I really need to get a copy of that book. I will order one this week.
Alan
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 07-15-2012, 04:50 PM
oaks1912 oaks1912 is offline
Mark Macrae
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Greater Bay Area
Posts: 383
Default

Alan.....Not to sound like a billboard for Frank Keetz, but he has compiled checklists for comic baseball postcards as well. They are not intended to be price guides , but contain, collectively; thousands of man hours of research and decades of collecting experience. The cost for each book is about the same price as a single trade card or postcard in nice condition and is among the best of reference books currently available in the hobby today
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 07-15-2012, 05:51 PM
barrysloate barrysloate is offline
Barry Sloate
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Posts: 8,293
Default

I have both books and have used them countless times for reference. Highly recommended.
Reply With Quote
Reply




Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Vintage Comic Baseball Postcards questions aelefson Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions 1 04-15-2011 10:09 AM
Reach Baseball Pin Questions aelefson Net54baseball Sports (Primarily) Vintage Memorabilia Forum incl. Game Used 3 07-04-2010 07:56 PM
LARGE List of Autographed Cards All Sports (1940s-2000s) canjond Baseball Memorabilia B/S/T 0 06-28-2010 12:38 PM
Vintage Baseball Glove Questions aelefson Net54baseball Sports (Primarily) Vintage Memorabilia Forum incl. Game Used 6 09-12-2009 08:43 PM
Vintage Baseball watch fob questions aelefson Net54baseball Sports (Primarily) Vintage Memorabilia Forum incl. Game Used 1 06-08-2009 07:49 PM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:32 AM.


ebay GSB