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Old 07-09-2011, 03:33 PM
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Default Difference between Type 1 and Type 2 Press Photos...

I am new to photo collecting and was just wondering if someone could please help me out in by explaining the difference between Type 1 and Type 2 Press Photos.
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Old 07-09-2011, 03:56 PM
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Simply put, Type 1 photos were printed from the original negative within 2 years of the photo being shot. Type 2 were printed from the original negative more than 2 years of the photo being shot.

There has been a great deal of debate in another string of posts here recently about whether 2 years is too restrictive or not, but that is the cut-off as it currently stands. Obviously, if you're selling a Type 2 photo, you will want to provide more info than just the Type. If you had an original 1920's negative, you could technically produce an unlimited number of Type 2 prints tomorrow, but those would obviously be less desirable than a 1930's print that fell just outside the Type 1 timeframe.

Hope that helps.
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The problem, of course, is that a) unless the image itself is easily datable, and b) the photo is date-stamped as to when it was printed, no one can really tell whether a photo is type I or not.

But there's no shortage of "experts" willing to sell their "expertise."
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Maybe they sprinkle it with DNA dust and can divine the 730/731 divide from that.
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Old 07-10-2011, 11:13 AM
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The "Type" system was proposed by 2 collectors Henry Yee, also a seller, and Marshall Fogel around 2005 in the book "A Portrait of Baseball Photography." The system attempts to categorize and organize pictures by date printed as compared to the date the picture was actually taken.

This is an excellent book, as beside the system, it goes into great detail into various topics about collecting pictures including news company stamps and the time frames they were used, great photographers and their histories, as well as general collecting topics.

About a year ago PSA/DNA and Beckett started offering a service to authenticate and even slab pictures using the system. This has caused an uproar as there is a large anti "Third Party Authenticator" faction in this group of experienced collectors, especially when it come to PSA.

There are many who don't like the system and many who do, both for various reasons detailed in another recent thread. Without getting into this debate again, here are the official guidelines for the different types in the classification system.

Type I - A 1st generation photograph, developed from the original negative, during the period (within approximately two years of when the picture was taken).
Type II - A photograph, developed from the original negative, during the period (more than approximately two years after the picture was taken).
Type III - A 2nd generation photograph, developed from a duplicate negative or wire transmission, during the period (within approximately two years of when the picture was taken).
Type IV - A 2nd generation photograph (or 3rd or later generation), developed from a duplicate negative or wire transmission, during a later period (more than approximately two years after the picture was taken)

Unfortunately many sellers misdescribe the photos they sell, some for nefarious reasons and some because they just don't know. The best advice is this. Buy the picture, not the authentication or seller description, whether they use the type description or not. Good pictures are good pictures regardless of how they are classified or described.

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The simplest thing to remember is Type 1 is original, and the other types are something different. The label also gives the date (date range-- ala 1960s) when the photo was made, so you should know how old is the photo.

In general, if you want to pick up a photo of Ty Cobb or whomever, you'll want to put your hard earned dollars on the Type !s-- the original. Makes sense. Originals are good, right? There's nothing wrong with picking up a type 2 or 3 or whatever, but obviously they won't be the originals nor valued as originals. For the non-type 1s, I would consider who made the photo (AP, George Brace stamp on back, etc), the quality/aesthetics and when it was made (should be listed on the label).

I'm not telling anyone what to do-- but in most any area of collecting, original is the most desirable type. Also, as the originals were made from the original negative, the image will usually be of superior quality. Copies and copy negatives and reprints usually are of lesser quality, often much lesser quality.

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David,

Perhaps at the Approximate two yr point, older negatives lose clarity, fade or otherwise degrade? thanks
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