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Old 08-28-2015, 03:24 PM
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yes, fantasy card. Think I paid maybe $10 for it because I thought it was cool..

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Old 08-28-2015, 03:46 PM
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Dave:

Great job on the football pre-rookie images. At one time, I was doing something similar with baseball so I can appreciate how much work and effort went into researching all that you have on display. I have never seen a number of these items before and I consider myself pretty seasoned in this area.

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Old 08-28-2015, 04:02 PM
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yes, fantasy card. Think I paid maybe $10 for it because I thought it was cool..
Its very cool. That's why it grabbed my eye. It has the look of the 1914-15 Cracker Jack cards. Nice job on the pre-rookie list!
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Old 08-28-2015, 04:53 PM
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Dave:

Is the 1926 Sports Champions of America Grange card legitimate? I have never heard of it before.

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Old 08-28-2015, 08:50 PM
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Dave, I know we're bombarding you - but can you also post the list of earliest item for every HOFer - I recall you had that at one time. Thanks.

Phil, Grange is in the Spaulding set, but as others can explain better, I don't think his earliest item can be confirmed, but rather it is narrowed down to 1 of 3 possible..... Here is a link to the Spaulding set which includes HOFers Ernie Nevers and Benny Friedman: http://www.psacard.com/psasetregistr...on.aspx?c=2800

Here is a link to a discussion on the earliest Grange card: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=209241

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Old 08-28-2015, 09:27 PM
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Thanks for the info, John. So a Spalding card of Grange does exist but it was not part of the issued set but instead, a "promo" card of sorts. That probably explains why I was unaware of it. Even though it might only miss out on being Grange's earliest card by a few months, I think the "promo" card status prevents it from being classified as a rookie card anyway.

I have never seen a W590 Grange, does anyone have a scan that they can share? On the baseball side, the W590 Gehrig is always a popular debate as to whether that card should be considered as a rookie in addition to the '25 Exhibit of Gehrig. Range of years for this set goes all the way out to 1931 so very tough to say...........

I don't really consider any of the Shotwell cards to be classified as rookie cards either as they were part of their own set and only included Grange.

For me, the 1928 Anonymous card of Grange might "fit the bill" as a Grange rookie card better than any others, unless the W590 can somehow be pinpointed to 1925-27.

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Old 08-28-2015, 10:46 PM
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Don't forget about the 1926 Shotwell sets. They would be earlier than the 1928 Star Player Candy Grange.

Here you go:

Spalding


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Shotwell


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Old 08-29-2015, 09:10 AM
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Jeff, probably a stupid question, but what's the difference between a cabinet, a photo, and a premium? My guess is they are all photos, but when we say premium, it means a photo issued by a company for collectors. Cabinet I have no idea....
Here is a great reference that discusses various types of early photographs.

http://www.cycleback.com/photoguide/mounted.htm

Essentially a cabinet is a photo mounted on a cardboard backing that was popular in the late 1800s/early 1900s. A cabinet card has a certain size photo (4 1/2 x 6 1/2). Larger sized mounted cabinets are called imperial cabinets. Cabinets replaced the smaller cartes de visite (CDVs) that were popular in the 1850s-1870s.

Cabinets often have the name of the photographer on the front or back.

Some examples:









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Old 08-29-2015, 09:49 AM
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This is a list I had posted on another message board in 2013. I'm sure there are a few additions that have been mentioned that need to be added.


Im posting this to get some discussion going at Jeff Paynes request. I have this list saved on my computer and I assume I have posted it before but I couldn't find the old post? Anyway, Jeff wants to come up with a pre rookie HOF list and this is the start I have. Can anyone add to or change anything I may have incorrect? THanks!

There are many different definitions of a "rookie card". Not everyone can agree on which issue should be considered a RC card. The list below is the one I have come up with that I would like to add to my collection. The thing about this list is that it is virtually impossible to complete. Although each card exist's, many only have a few know examples.

Here is my want/dream list..... Each selection is the first time each player has been on some type of cardboard. The players listed below are listed on the HOF website as "PRE MODERN ERA PLAYERS"

1912 Olympic Postcard Jim Thorpe
1919 Zeenut Paddy Driscoll (baseball)
1926 Spalding Promo Red Grange or 1926 Shotwell #11 Ad Back (my favorite of the set)or W590
1926 Spalding Ernie Nevers
1926 Spalding Benny Friedman
1927 W560 Ken Strong
1928 Star Candy Paddy Driscoll
1929 Albert Richards All American Bronko Nagurski or 1933 Matchbook
1931 Walkers Cleaners Curly Lambeau
1931 Walkers Cleaners Arnie Herber or 1933 Matchbook
1931 Walkers Cleaners Blood McNally or 1934 Matchbook
1931 Walkers Cleaners Mike Michalske
1931 Walkers Cleaners Cal Hubbard or 1933 Matchbook
1933 Matchbook Morris "Red" Badgro
1933 Matchbook Cliff Battles
1933 Matchbook Ray Flaherty
1933 Matchbook Mel Hein
1933 Matchbook Bill Hewitt
1933 Matchbook Clarke Hinkle
1933 Matchbook Turk Edwards
1933 Matchbook Steve Owen (coach but listed as player on HOF website)
1934 Matchbook Walt Keisling
1934 Matchbook Link Lyman
1934 Matchbook George Musso
1935 Wheaties Don Hutson
1935 Matchbook Dutch Clark or 35 Chicle
1936 Matchbook Joe Stydahar
1936 Matchbook Dan Fortmann
1936 Wheaties Wayne Millner
1938 Dixie Lids Sammy Baugh or DL Premium
1938 Matchbook Alex Wojciechowicz
1941 Wheaties Premium Tuffy Leemans
1948 Colts Matchbook YA Tittle (or a 1949 Silbers)
1948 Leaf Bill Dudley
1948 Leaf Sid Luckman
1948 Leaf George McAfee
1948 Leaf Steve VanBuren
1948 Bowman Bulldog Turner
1950 Bowman Tony Canadeo
1952 Bowman George Halas (coach but listed as player on HOF website)
1955 Topps AA Fats Henry (NON CONTEMPORARY)
1955 Topps AA Bruiser Kinard (NON CONTEMPORARY)
1955 Topps AA Ace Parker (NON CONTEMPORARY)

Then, there are 7 Players in which I have not been able to find any cards issued. Does anyone know of an issue that pictures the following players?

Jimmy Conzelman
Guy Chamberlain (Pictured on a Nebraska team card)
Joe Guyon (I have him on a 1917 Georgia Tech team card with coach John Heisman)
Ed Healey
Fritz Pollard
George Trafton
Bill Willis (the only "modern" era player without a card in the HOF RC set)(1949 Sohio?)



Then, There are the Pre Rookies that I want from "MODERN" era players. Again, going after the first time they were pictured on cardboard.

1946 Sears Browns Otto Graham
1946 Sears Browns Dante Lavelli
1946 Sears Browns Frank Gatski
1948 Exhibit Ollie Matson
1948 Kelloggs Pep Lou Groza
1948 Kelloggs Pep Bob Waterfield or 48 Leaf
1948 Topps Magic Photo Doak Walker or 48 Leaf
1948 Topps Magic Photo Charlie Bednarik or 48 Leaf
1950 Topps Felt Ernie Stautner
1950 Topps Felt Lou Creekmur
1950 Admiral Rams Norm Van Brocklin
1950 Admiral Rams Tom Fears or 50 bowman
1950 Admiral Rams Elroy Hirsch or 50 bowman
1948-52 Exhibits Joe Perry or 50 Bowman
1953 Rams Team Dick Night Train Lane
1959 Kahns Gene Hickerson
1960 Kahns Willie Davis
1961 National City Bank Len Dawson
1961 Packers Lake to Lake Ray Nitschke
1961 Packers Lake to Lake Willie Wood
1961 Packers Lake to Lake Herb Adderley
1962 Union Oil Lance Alworth
1962 Post Larry Wilson
1962 Post Jim Johnson
1962 Post Bob Lilly
1964 Kahns Paul Warfield
1965 Big Red Biographies Jackie Smith
1967 Royal Castle Bob Griese
1968 Corn Flakes Lem Barney
1968 Corn Flakes Larry Csonka






I have many of these on a web page for reference. I am missing a few.

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Old 08-29-2015, 09:56 AM
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WOW! Awesome reference, thank you for sharing. Bookmarked.
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