Open letter to STAT and Christopher Morales

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Posted By: <b>DD</b><p>I just heard back from Joe Polski, who is the Chief Operations Officer for the International Association for Identification (IAI). This is an organization that Chris Morales lists on his resume. Mr. Polski indicated to me that they will look into the information I provided, which was a link to this thread.

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Posted By: <b>Chuck Tapia</b><p>Go "slab" yourself wad.

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Posted By: <b>DD</b><p>PC,<br />Please take this to another thread. If it is troublesome to you that this thread is so long, then ignore it. The people who have been posting in this thread feel it is an important issue.<br /><br />We can demonstrate to this community, as well as others that have been reading, and will be reading this, that we are an intelligent, serious, group. I am all for a little levity, and make my share of jokes in this thread, and posts in other threads.<br /><br />However, I think we have had enough time spent already in this thread with conflict on issues pertinent to the subject, that we don't need to have conflict revolving around if this thread is still important.<br /><br />Thanks, and nothing personal. Just trying to stay on topic.

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Posted By: <b>Bill Panagopulos</b><p>Slab yourself - I'm still laughing!<br /><br />Slab this! It's genuine.<br /><br />Still looking for press contacts - pls assist

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Posted By: <b>Mike</b><p>I think the ultimate goal of this thread is to increase the probability that when you buy an item that it is real not fake. To do that, we must get rid of the poor authenticators or at least advise all novice autograph collectors which companies are good and which are shady. Some opinions are definitely better than others.<br /><br />I think PCCE in April will be a good start. I don't think they invited Coaches Corner, STAT or Morales. I would be great if these guys are there as part of a round table discussion. I'd like to hear their side of the story.<br />

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Posted By: <b>DD</b><p>For example, some levity, but still pertinent.<br /><br /><a href="http://moralesforensics.com/activities.htm" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://moralesforensics.com/activities.htm</a><br /><br />Notice how in the training on proper collection and handling of physical evidence in foreign countries, that the experts assumedly advise their trainees not to wear gloves, because he is not.

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Posted By: <b>Mike Navarro</b><p>Found this clip today that talks about the Marino forgeries and Frangipanni and the other forensic authenticators. Interesting to watch.<br /><br /> <br /><br />Take care,<br /><br />Mike Navarro<br /><br />edited to add that there is a link above to the youtube of the same video...the autostart on the one you posted is bogging down this thread.

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Posted By: <b>Rick McQuillan</b><p>PC, I totally agree with you. <br /><br />First of all, this is old news.<br /><br />Second, isn't there an autograph forum somewhere where this would be more appropriate?<br /><br />Third, we should all know by now that "authenticators" and "forensic experts" are full of ****. By my math, authenticator = crook, COA = garbage.<br /><br />If I offended any authenticators or forensic experts - good. <br /><br />Rick<br /><br /><br /><img src="http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g9/buymycards/santa.jpg"><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>PC</b><p>Thanks Rick.<br /><br />David -- I appreciate your civil response, but I don't need to take this to another thread -- this thread needs to be taken to another forum.

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Posted By: <b>shelly jaffe</b><p>PC,just to let you know that when I asked for some help I had ten emails from 10 different lawyers on this site. You might not think this thread is important but it seems to have had some impact.

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Posted By: <b>DD</b><p>PC,<br />If this was in the memorabilia section, would your reaction be the same? If it bothers you that Shelly is in the forefront, would you rather he still be selling forgeries? Should we not try to clean up one area of the hobby? <br /><br />Call out the people who tamper cards. See if Gary Moser will get on board with you to find the fakes. Or, do it yourself. <br /><br />Remember, the people who are forging/altering cards and signatures are smart. They flaunt their credentials, set up web sites, basically tell you that anything can be faked or authenticated. If I recall correctly, there was a site that may have come down in a short time, that said it could repair cards. Bottom line is they need to be put out of business. <br /><br />If you don't like the thread, move on.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>PC</b><p>David -- I think you're missing the point. This is not a memorabilia board. On this board, when someone with card alteration knowledge speaks, like Kevin Saucier, we listen, and (most) appreciate it.<br /><br />Shelly might be the most important reformer in your hobby, and we've heard all about it. At this point, this thread is only autograph collectors (some of whom are clearly off their medications)talking to each other -- on a vintage card forum.<br /><br />But if the mods will allow it to continue, so be it. Good luck.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>DD</b><p>I don't collect autographs. That doesn't mean I don't care about people getting ripped off. If I can bring something positive to this effort, great. If I can't, I'll keep my mouth shut. But I certainly wouldn't go around whining about what other people are discussing. Sounds like your the one who got ripped off at some point.

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>This thread probably should have been started on the memorabilia board, but there is no way to move it over there now and there has been a little bit accomplished in this thread. The autograph collectors have kept it all in this one thread so I don't know why someone would be on this thread complaining about it. Not too hard to ignore one thread on this forum whether it have 1 reply or 600. Coming in here and name calling serves no point.

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Posted By: <b>Mike Mccullough</b><p>This may be old news to you PC but to me it is like continuing education. It is relevant to this board because it deals with pre war as well as post war material.. Whether it be an autographed baseball or a card. Im not an Autograph collector per say and didnt realize this problem never really went away. I appreciate a thread like this because it gives the public a RE awareness of a problem that has never left. I posted a link to this thread and the link to the HBO videos on my website and have received some very positive feedback. A person whom I work with thanked me and said he was just speechless after watching the videos. Ya see,,, this thread has reached people in a positive way that you cannot even realize... So with that said,, shut your pie hole slabhead.... <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> I put a smiley there so all is good. Capiche???<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Bill Panagopulos</b><p>PC - <br /><br />I never heard of Net 54 until about ten days ago. Never posted a damned thing on a forum, and always thought forums were used to share knowledge and expertise in the field of plaster kewpie dolls of the 1920's (or more nefarious purposes). And I don't give a rat's arse for baseball cards - I'd take your entire collection and put it in my kid's bicycle spokes so that his boke would sound cool. But I don't care about cards, just as YOU don't care about autographs. <br /><br />I found this thread only through word of email. <br /><br />I don't know if you're right or wrong. Is this site totally devoted, exclusively, to baseball cards? If so, I apologize. Is too much bandwidth being used? <br /><br />We are talking about sales of $20+million dollar per year or more in material that is being debated here. That's $20 MILLION. PER YEAR! What's that trimmed(?) Honus Wagner card worth? A measly million bucks? <br /><br />Twenty Million Dollars from the pockets of people who are buying this stuff to pay for:<br /><br />- their retirement<br />- college tuitions<br />- medical expenses<br /><br />etc. etc.<br /><br />You label those who have been ripped-as as "crybabies". The correct verbiage is "victims", and they're finally pissed-off, and hopefully have found a common voice.<br /><br />Lighten up, chum.

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>The lightening up needs to go both ways. Stop with the name calling and back and forth. This is a CARDS ONLY forum, but Leon was nice enough to let this thread stay here. It belongs in the memorabilia forum and denigrating card collectors who are hosting this thread is only going to get this thread off topic and likely locked so lets try to keep it on topic.

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Posted By: <b>Eric</b><p>As I've stated before, I used to collect autographs. But being that I've been ripped off so many times with bogus signatures and even worse COA's, I got out of the hobby. I will never collect them again.<br /><br />I visit this site for the cardboard content. That's my hobby and I love it. I don't collect high grade cards, so I don't worry that much about counterfeit cards, and everything that I purchase is slabbed. I've learned to do my research as a result of my bad experiences in the autograph collecting hobby. So am I a crybaby? Maybe. The autographs were supposed to mean something to me and my family. <br /><br />Maybe this thread is in the wrong place. But as stated above, it is one thread, that can be overlooked if you have no interest. I think it's very informative and I appreciate what is being done here. Something needs to be done for the "victims". These guys need to pay.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Dan B is absolutely correct. This should be a cards ONLY forum per the rules and really even more so since we have our own memorabilia forum. I let this thread go as I know Shelly and I DID want it to get a lot of exposure. This side does get more exposure. It's that important of a topic to the sports collectibles field. HOWEVER, It is considered off topic on this side of the board and we shouldn't forget that. As long as it stays in this thread then no one has to open it, was my thought. It would be more appropriate in the memorabilia forum on this front page...where it says " Memorabilia Forum" and has a picture of a glove....take care ya'll....<br /><br />edited for clarification

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Posted By: <b>Bill Panagopulos</b><p>Agreed...Let's stay on topic (but off topic?)<br /><br />This is a vitally important subject, as evident from the number of posts here, albeit this may not be the right venue. The press is picking up on this, and that's a good thing for everyone. <br /><br />A lot of good is being done here, and I'm sure everyone agrees with that. If no damage is being done, a little forbearance is in everyone's best interest.<br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>PC</b><p>Bill -- we know you don't care about cards (you said so), but I never said I don't care about autographs. I have 40+ HOF and other autographs (maybe more), across the four major sports, including a few items that might really surprise you. But most regulars here already know that the autograph hobby has been destroyed by fraud. As such, it isn't what we collect, nor is it the focus here (and that isn't going to change, notwithstanding that the three people Mike forced to look at his web page may have benefitted greatly from this thread). <br /><br />What I don't care for is a 600+ off-topic thread that keeps popping-up at the top of this board, with the same repetitive information, from the same group (many of whom are not even autograph collectors, and most of whom have never posted here before, and probably will not participate in anything on-topic to this forum). Further, most of these people, following the slightest questioning of why they are here, felt completley free to denigrate the collecting habits of the board. Sorry, but that's annoying. <br /><br />Morevoer, the ongoing character assasination that is the subject of this thread is very disturbing, even though every word of it may be true. I'm sure the mods did not intend to provide a public forum for business destruction -- IMO, this is a dangerous thing for the mods to permit to continue (or even continue to exist on the board), but that's their call.

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Posted By: <b>Jim VB</b><p>1. What is the record for most posts in a given thread? I've only been here about a year and this is the longest I've seen. <br /><br />2. Is anybody making book on the final number of posts here? (And do we have to guess the exact number or is it like The Price Is Right where it's closest without going over? And is there any over/under action?<br /><br />3. To Rick M - Is that the Santa rookie?

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Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p>This thread has gotten too long and unwieldy for me to follow but I see recent comments that sadden me about people not wanting to collect autographs.<br /><br />Our experience has been that with a JSA or PSA LOA, there is literally a 99% chance there is no issue. From our perspective, the successful marketing of these two companies has allowed the autograph business to grow at an unprecedented level, both in terms of prices, number of dealers/resellers and most importantly, number of collectors. While I am not going to get in the middle of any disputes here, we would simply suggest that any potential autograph collectors who follow these guidelines, will almost certainly not encounter any problems.<br /><br />Sorry to prolong a memorabilia thread but I just think that this is an important point to make...<br /><br />Steve Verkman<br />Clean Sweep Auctions

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Posted By: <b>PC</b><p>Bill: for some reason your name looked familiar. So, I pulled my autographed State Dept. photo of Dean Acheson off the wall. On the back of the frame I kept the correspondence from the seller -- Alexander Autographs, signed by Basil A. Panagopulos. Purchased about four years ago, I think.<br /><br />Small world! <br /><br />Note to self ... careful who you insult, it might just be a customer! But no worries, I have no doubt it is real. Looks great next to my autographed photo of General Marshall. It's a Harry Truman cabinet thing.<br /><br />Alas, I am prolonging this thread.

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Posted By: <b>Bill Panagopulos</b><p>PC,<br /><br />Well, I'll be damned...better get it checked out right away!<br /><br />Remember - you just said I'd be surprised what you owned...and I am! Har, har! Where have you been? I need the money!<br /><br />Seriously - this is a VERY important thread. Yes, it'll run out of stem but a little longer for the right people to see it and the wheels will be put in motion. We're not here to ruin people - just to get at the truth.<br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>shelly jaffe</b><p>When I started this thread it was to reply to Mr Morales challenge. I have seen over and over again people talking about Coaches Corner, The Donald, Morales and others. It lasted for about five comments and it was over. 600 plus comments makes me think that we hit a nerve . I love the card side and I have seen thread after thread about fake cards. I also have seen threads talk about doctoring a card,trimming a card and over grading of cards. If you don't think that this is not the same thing you are mistaken. Part of operation bullpen was busting people that changed cards to a higher grade.. I will tell you that Leon has helped you guys more than you will ever know and in a small helped as well . I think that is why he let this thread continue. I am sorry if the card side is upset but let this thread run its course. I think before its over you might be very surprised at the outcome. <br /><br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>PC</b><p>You're a good sport Bill, and an honest, reputable guy.

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Posted By: <b>DJ</b><p>The card side should not be upset. It's one single thread. There is no invasion, just one large soldier. <br /><br />This thread is getting A LOT of attention, but it's still only one thread. You can always fight with Dorskind in another thread. Or start an Al Rosen thread if you want to compete. The one thing I know for sure is that Shelly better get thread #714 and #755. Once it gets to 1,000, maybe you start over at the Memorabilia side for the sequel if this thing still has legs.<br /><br />This is an important thread and it will eventually pass, but for now I think important steps have been made here. <br /><br />Mr. Verkman, a lot of people feel this way and a lot of people have started collecting cards (and came to this board for salvation) and turned their back on autographs. It doesn't help that Jimmy clone looked like a fool on TV with "Bando-gate" and PSA/DNA is authenticating Clem Labine balls as perished Heisman Trophy winner Ernie Davis. <br /><br />But for the most part you are correct about these two companies.<br /><br />DJ <br /><br />Edited: badd speling<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Bill Panagopulos</b><p>PC - <br /><br />Ya damned brokers/bankers/fi-nan-seers! No wonder they're ee-victin' me next week! You guys never let go!<br /><br />Appreciate your kind comments - just another happy customer I've managed to con...I mean, satisfy!<br /><br />Best regards,<br />BP

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Posted By: <b>FGN</b><p>Mr. Verkman I know you really don't want to get too involved here but since you posted I'd really like to hear your thoughts on a previous posters comments which stated:<br /><br />'It's the GOOD advertisers I take issue with. Why anyone supports this magazine is beyond me. <br /><br />The GOOD advertisers know exactly what is going on and they refrain from doing anything. They keep supporting it with advertising. These advertisers should be taken to the wood shed for a talkin.'<br /><br />Not intending to single you out by asking, but I haven't noticed any other SCD advertisers who have posted. If any others are lurking I'd welcome their thoughts as well. I will say that I too am guilty in that my subscription is still current. For the first time in more than 20 years I will not be renewing.

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Posted By: <b>Chuck Tapia</b><p>why don't you fill the babe ruth wax ball up with wax from your ear?<br /><br />Casa De Tapia has a nice mountain view in the San Fernando Valley. With my office overlooking the pool. My Babe Ruth Ball decorates the office!!It's doesn't need ear wax to fill the letters. It's Gem Mint and it comes complete with a LOA from Christopher Morales, so I know it's real!!Unlike that waxy, oil laiden ball with Tim Bottomskly and Ruth yo have in your safe. WOWO!!!!<br /><br />At least I have the balls to post my name. The fact you can't call me out by my monniker, show's what an ass you are. Lay in to me if you want, but I don't call you by your name other than your stupid PC t-210.<br /><br />Let's just stay on topic. First quitting cards due to slab heads like you, and now getting beat up trying to discuss and learn about autographs. Thanks PC for the Welcome. Why don't you post your name now you chicken s? You know who I am. I am FUDD

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Posted By: <b>DD</b><p>Chuck,<br />Can you post a pic of your Ruth ball?

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Posted By: <b>PC</b><p>If people dealt with reputable sellers like Bill, instead of buying autos on the cheap from the crooks that ruined the autograph hobby, they wouldn't be so angry, and maybe the crooks would have been out of business a long time ago.

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Posted By: <b>DD</b><p>I agree with PC. Part of the problem would have to be the people who know they have been ripped off, but are trying to protect their "investment".<br /><br />Well, they can always trade them amongst each other. Figure the real value is 1/20th of a cent, same as a coupon. We're just marching on trying to stop anyone else from getting scammed.

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Posted By: <b>Chuck Tapia</b><p>Sorry to hurt your feelings pal with all that talk about my financial loss, but I was kidding about the Ruth Ball. Lest anyone think I was serious. I used to collect quite a bit so I'm no stranger to the problem in the hobby. This is about fraud plain and simple and the people who are perpetrating it on the public. Sure I've been a victim once or twice? Do you think I really care? No. That's why the clowns like this get away with it.<br /><br />I was kidding by calling you a "slab" and you get all bent out of shape? Nice sense of humor. I quit the hobby with a pretty decent collection, back in the day when you could just collect the cards and you didn’t have to buy everything graded for fear of being ripped off. The hobby changed for the worse. Go waste your money with your graded slab cards and go put them in a box. I'll do what I do. I only re-entered the collecting of balls and a few decorative pictures for my office. This is why this is a parallel issue to what card collectors are also facing. It’s all a matter of perspective. <br /><br />I'm sorry I didn't discover this or find it fascinating 20 years ago. It is fascinating NOW which is why YOU would even follow it and the 600 plus entries.<br /><br />By the way, I was not singled out by anyone. Leon wanted to check my e-mail address you dufus. He said I could verbally slap you around as much as I'd like because he doesn't like you and thinks you are a pompous A, which I tend to agree. Stay on the topic, get off the pot, leave your name or get the h off this thread that is hurting your cards and your pride so much. Who really cares? <br /><br />The fact is, this has turned into a great site to offer this much information to people, new fresh collectors and old crusty ones of all types of collectibles and you come in here and shellac them like your stupid old Tom Billingworth /Ruth Ball with the wax chip that nobody cares about. It isn't about you or me. Let these guys stick to the issue and stop knit picking at me and hiding behind your PC and snipping people who are decent enough to share their name and then having "Pie Hole" calling out people by usingtheir real names. It really says everything about the little coward you are. Real class.<br />

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Posted By: <b>PC</b><p>In the spirit of not feeding the trolls - "delete"

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Posted By: <b>Richard Simon</b><p>Enough already guys. This thread was not meant to degenerate into a pissing contest between two people.<br />Take it to private e mail or SHUT UP.<br />--<br><br>I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.<br />Unknown author <br />--<br />We made a promise. We swore we'd always remember.<br />No retreat baby, no surrender.<br />The Boss

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Posted By: <b>J. McMurry</b><p> Well, if the press is following this thread, they've probably dismissed it's credibility now as it seems to have turned into a comical B-Slap fest.<br /><br />One point. I've heard several mentions of people collecting autographs to pay for college, weddings, etc.<br /> If the only reason you collect is as an investment to hit the "mother load" down the road,then I dont feel much sympathy toward your losses, I'm sorry I just dont. If your looking for money making investments stick to the stock market or buy gold, real estate. People jumping into this hobby buying up stuff as an investment just muddy up the waters, by inflating prices and making crooks rich which erodes the enjoyment out of it for the true collectors. Personally I collect both cards and autographs because they are a link to things that I enjoy; sports, history, and memories from my childhood. <br /><br />Now, back to the name calling jamboree.

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Posted By: <b>Richard S. Simon</b><p>J Mc - I totally agree with you. The story I related about the young couple who came to my table to sell his autograph collection for their wedding, well I don't think the man had been investing in autographs. I think it was a case of well we need the money so I am going to have to sacrifice my autograph collection. That was why I had so much empathy for them.<br />--<br><br>I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.<br />Unknown author <br />--<br />We made a promise. We swore we'd always remember.<br />No retreat baby, no surrender.<br />The Boss

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Chuck- I did NOT SAY those words about PC. PC has been on the board a long time and while I might not agree with everything anyone says I DID NOT say those things. The reason I asked you to email me is correct in that I was making sure you were who you posted as...and as far as I can tell you are. I also told you to carry on as those are the forum rules.....You can say most anything you want to but you HAVE to be known.....I was having virus issues last night and got rid of most everythin in my sent file and deleted file or I would have posted what I said to you.....take care

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Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p>FGN,<br /><br />I of course would love to see Coach's Corner barred from SCD. There are also other corrupt people (even gasp card dealers) too but the publishers of SCD are not exactly soliciting my input and that is a shame but as a business, SCD is still useful to me as a marketing avenue. Just as there are dealers who set up at shows who are crooked, it is very rare to find a promoter who will throw them out...

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Posted By: <b>Ken Eccles</b><p>Hi Steve, it's been a while since Bev and I met you in KC,We tusted you then and still do today. As to Shelly and the rest,Great Job coming out with this topic as to collecting. As to the Press? You might try the guy known as the "Give Me A Break" John S--, he helped us in many ways back 1980s on a few cases. Thanks again,Leon for your site. Ken Eccles KCMO

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Posted By: <b>Chuck Tapia</b><p><br />"other than disrupting message boards, as you obviously don't collect cards (I doubt you even collect autographs, and if you do, you certainly aren't very good at it)."<br /><br />You are the one that started whining about this not being the place for this discussion. You disrupted this awsome dialogue. You have started the wedge here by calling me out by my complete name while you hide behind yours. Just not right when EVERYONE on this posting was told several times to use their real name. I might be a troll, but you are and arrogant Pie Hole, who thinks you know everything. Trying to protect your card territory while refusing to get along with people who come along. You are probably the biggest "Richard" I have ever encoountered in any board room. POST your name wise A or e-mail me direct if you have anything further. I also don't appreciate the Racial comment about "CASA de TAPIA" are you insinuating something there bub, behind your PC monniker. Post your name, e-mail me directly or shut the F up. <br /><br />Love,<br /><br />The Troll. <br /><br /><br />"Hi Chuck<br /><br />I was just making sure you are Chuck T. It’s for everyone’s protection. Carry on and take care….<br /><br />Regards<br /><br />leon"<br /><br />Leon-Here was your E-mail to me, incase anyone thought I was serious. I'm sorry that a new user would have to defend himself in this kind of forum. I think it's pretty pathetic that you allow this Pie Hole to shoot his mouth full of cream at the board, disrupt a beautiful thread on a relevant topic, use racially sensitive comments about my surname and let him keep posting while not sharing with everyone who he is.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>shelly jaffe</b><p>Time for you two guys to stop fighting and let us get back to business.<br />Here are two baseballs. One of them is of a signature of Clark Griffith on a GO GO SOX baseball. The problem with that is that it was produced five years after Griffith died. The other one is of Lefty Grove in the same ink and the same hand writing. The problem with that ball is that he signed left handed and this is from some one signing right handed. These items where taken down from EBAY and the seller said that the coa's came from non other than Morales. If he has a problem with that statement then please reply.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1203706680.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1203706643.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>A couple of quick thoughts.....In your post above you said:<br /><br />"By the way, I was not singled out by anyone. Leon wanted to check my e-mail address you dufus. He said I could verbally slap you around as much as I'd like because he doesn't like you and thinks you are a pompous A, which I tend to agree. Stay on the topic, get off the pot, leave your name or get the h off this thread that is hurting your cards and your pride so much. Who really cares?"<br /><br /><br />I am not sure why you lied on this board about what my email said but you did out and out lie...no smiley face, no "just kidding" comment. Thanks for posting my response email to you which is exactly what I said. Where did it say I didn't like PC or anything of that nature? <br /><br />Secondly, as I have said all along I will give out contact info for folks on the board with respect to this kind of thread. If you want PC's contact info and name all you have to do is email me. I will give it to you. Please refrain from saying I said something in the future when I didn't say it......Not anything personal here...take care

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Posted By: <b>PC</b><p>Not worth it.

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Posted By: <b>shelly jaffe</b><p>Stop this crap. This thread is more important than two children fighting with each other. Take it to another thread.

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Posted By: <b>Richard S. Simon</b><p>The card manufacturers and hobbyists were worried that children were not becoming collectors, and that they were being lost to the hobby.<br />They should have no fear, the children are here.<br />--<br><br>I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.<br />Unknown author <br />--<br />We made a promise. We swore we'd always remember.<br />No retreat baby, no surrender.<br />The Boss

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Posted By: <b>Martin Neal</b><p>Listen guys. The first one that stops will wins.

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Posted By: <b>Aaron Patton</b><p>...anyone receive their March 7 issue of SCD today?<br /><br />Full page CC bio (page 24) [in line with SCDs 2008 Show & Auction Guide].<br /><br />"...we don't travel the country pursuing signatures as much"<br />(i.e. we've got a big back-room, and a ton of ink)<br /><br />Where do these Rube Waddell cuts come from? Trees?<br /><br />Holy smokes...how do they sleep at night?<br /><br /><br />[Edit: Spelling]