Kobe Game Used and Goldin Auctions

[Big Six]

Looks like Kobe is trying to keep his mom and Goldin Auctions from aucitoning off some of his stuff...

http://news.yahoo.com/kobe-bryant-ba...140308993.html

Not knowing all the details, I would side with Kobe out of the gate...it's probably an unpopular view but it's his stuff and his family shouldn't have carte blanche to just sell the stuff to buy a new house...

I know this might be better placed in the Game Used section but thought the main board might generate more discussion...if Leon wants to move it over there, that's cool with me! Looking forward to your thoughts...

[drc]

It's an interesting topic that can apply to any type of memorabilia. And many to most of us have stored stuff at our parents at some time or other. When I was away at college, all my baseball cards and memorabilia were at my parents' house.

You do hear of real life situations where kids 'temporarily' drop off stuff, perhaps while moving, at the parents house and the parents really don't have room to store it-- and the kids won't pick it up. The normal if informal rule is the parents can give due warning for the kids to pick it up, then if it's not picked up the parents can do what they want with it. At least that's what Dear Abby says.

[rdwyer]

Kobe could have a billion dollars, and still won't sign an autograph unless he's paid $800 per. The real issue here is why Kobe is that way. Fans pay his salary, and yet he dogs everyone for a stupid autograph.

[HRBAKER]

That's about $800 more than I would pay for one.

[drc]

Two celebrities my dad can't stand are Tom Cruise and Kobe Bryant. Tom Cruise comes first.

[HRBAKER]

Tom Cruise is an alien.
It's the only feasible explanation.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Doesn't sound like Kobe to abandon $1 million plus of property.

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Doesn't sound like Kobe to abandon $1 million plus of property.

Understandable.
Buy your mom a house Kobe.

[Peter_Spaeth]

You wonder what due diligence Goldin did to assure itself Pamela had the right to dispose of the property before advancing half a million bucks.

[botn]

Sounds like Kenny Goldin entered into an agreement with the wrong person. Seems unlikely that Kobe, who knows the value of his name, would have told his mom that he had no interest in those items but I suspect anything is possible. Sounds like Lot 1 for the June auction could be the house in Nevada. It was only a matter of time before Kenny got himself into a conflict.

[HRBAKER]

You know I was thinking the same thing. If all I had was one person's word that someone else no longer wanted or laid any claim to items with a value in excess of 1 million dollars - I'd have serious reservations. Even if it was a direct family member. Surely there is more to the story.

[Peter_Spaeth]

From the Complaint, it looks like all oral assurances from Pamela. Kobe allegedly gave them to her, saying, Here Mom, these are for you.

[Deertick]

Originally Posted by botn

It was only a matter of time before Kenny got himself into a conflict.

I am a little confused about this statement.

[Deertick]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

From the Complaint, it looks like all oral assurances from Pamela. Kobe allegedly gave them to her, saying, Here Mom, these are for you.

I'm sure Kobe didn't give a flip about his practice shorts until he found out his mom was selling them and he wasn't in on the cut.

[Luke]

Originally Posted by rdwyer

Kobe could have a billion dollars, and still won't sign an autograph unless he's paid $800 per. The real issue here is why Kobe is that way. Fans pay his salary, and yet he dogs everyone for a stupid autograph.

He probably has changed over time, but he signed a card for me the only time I ever asked him. Back in 2001 or so.

[BigJJ]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

Buy your mom a house Kobe.

+1

[rdwyer]

Last time he did a public signing around here, he was charging $800 each for his favorite charity. Himself. Baseball Card Dugout Buena Park, Ca. Kobe bought his abused wife 3 houses to make up for what he did to her. Seems he can afford another for his Mom. What a loser.

[yanks12025]

But it goes back to, who decides the prices at autograph shows. I always thought the promoters decide the price they charge based on how much it cost to get the person to come in and do the signing.

[itjclarke]

Originally Posted by rdwyer

Last time he did a public signing around here, he was charging $800 each for his favorite charity. Himself. Baseball Card Dugout Buena Park, Ca. Kobe bought his abused wife 3 houses to make up for what he did to her. Seems he can afford another for his Mom. What a loser.

I don't really like Kobe, but have grown to respect his incredible toughness and focus and feel that the guy can charge whatever the hell he wants for an autograph. It seems only way to make sigs worth anything is to sign fewer for more money... as opposed to greats like Bob Feller, who's signed baseballs go for little more than the price of the ball.

As I understand his mom already has a house, I think maybe even multiple houses and I'm sure Kobe helped out with those, and just about anything else she has. What she's doing is crap. If I were him, I'd never get rid of my high school gear?!?! That's probably a lot more special to him than most of his hundreds/thousands of game used NBA jersey's, shorts, etc.

TO ADD: was he ever accused of beating/abusing his wife? I don't remember that. The Eagle Colorado thing was very fishy, but seemed very fishy from both sides.

[itjclarke]

Read a little more about the story. Kobe, who has given millions to his mom/parents over the years (and I suspect has bought her a house or two) supposedly offered to buy her a house so she wouldn't sell his stuff... She declined because she wanted a bigger house.

Anyone's personal feelings toward Kobe aside, but if his stuff sells at auction, it is total crap.

I know I'd feel pretty violated if anyone (Mom included) decided to get rid of my old football/baseball jerseys, or my letter jacket without my consent. I'm sure even most hardened pros have sentimental attachments to these types of items.

[glchen]

If Kobe registers for Goldin auction, and tries to win some of his stuff, would that be considered shilling?

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by itjclarke

Read a little more about the story. Kobe, who has given millions to his mom/parents over the years (and I suspect has bought her a house or two) supposedly offered to buy her a house so she wouldn't sell his stuff... She declined because she wanted a bigger house.

Anyone's personal feelings toward Kobe aside, but if his stuff sells at auction, it is total crap.

I know I'd feel pretty violated if anyone (Mom included) decided to get rid of my old football/baseball jerseys, or my letter jacket without my consent. I'm sure even most hardened pros have sentimental attachments to these types of items.

lawrence taylor gave his kid his super bowl ring, and the kid subsequently sold it at auction. lawrence said 'whatever' he is free to do with it what he wants.

[drc]

No one here knows who the collection rightfully belong to. Though the article mentions custom made championship rings given to his parents, which on the face of it sound like gifts that he couldn't take back.

[itjclarke]

Originally Posted by travrosty

lawrence taylor gave his kid his super bowl ring, and the kid subsequently sold it at auction. lawrence said 'whatever' he is free to do with it what he wants.

Yeah and if LT wasn't cool with it, then it would be crap for the kid to sell it. What's your point?

It can be a crappy thing to do, even if it's well within his/her rights to do it.

[itjclarke]

Originally Posted by drc

No one here knows who the collection rightfully belong to. Though the article mentions custom made championship rings given to his parents, which on the face of it sound like gifts that he couldn't take back.

I've got no issue with those rings.. I've got issue with her selling Kobe's HS state championship ring, his old HS gear, etc. Even if he technically gave it to them at some point... He clearly doesn't want her to sell them now. I'm not a parent yet, but if I were living in the house my kid bought for me, and had received millions from him.. I'd be decent enough to not sell his stuff if he changed his mind and wanted to keep it. Legally owned or not blah, blah.. They are family and she should listen to her son.

ADDING: I'm sure there's a lot that we'll never know, nor do I care to know, and I'm guessing Kobe has probably been a prick about something in all this. It still leaves a really bad taste in my mouth. He's bought her a house(s), he offered to buy her another house.. He wants to keep irreplaceable items from his youth. There's NO EXCUSE for her to sell at this point.. What, does he need to pay his own mom off, match Goldin's payment? Great parenting lesson there huh?

[the 'stache]

Sounds like the douchebag apple didn't fall far from the douchebag tree.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by glchen

If Kobe registers for Goldin auction, and tries to win some of his stuff, would that be considered shilling?

Only if he is the consignor or has any financial interest in it, would be my view.

[HRBAKER]

The rich and their problems, tsk tsk.

[travrosty]

either he gave the stuff to her or he didnt. if he did, to ask for it back or for her not to sell it is not right. once it belongs to someone else, they are free to do with it what they wish.

halper tried to steer his collection to someone who would put it in a museum and not sell it. he couldnt do it, because no one can promise that. once the deal is made, its not halpers anymore , or kobe's. but we will see if that deal was made between kobe and mom.

i would think mom's case is strengthened by the fact she paid for the storage locker when a guy worth hundreds of millions couldnt afford it? if it was his stuff you would think he would be paying the freight on it.

[HRBAKER]

I still think I would want a stronger indicator of title that oral assurances bf I fronted a half million quid.

[itjclarke]

Originally Posted by travrosty

either he gave the stuff to her or he didnt. if he did, to ask for it back or for her not to sell it is not right. once it belongs to someone else, they are free to do with it what they wish.
.

I understand this rationale, but think the logic or legality of that statement is off the table when it relates to family or people we're close with.

Example, my dad gave me a ball he had signed by Mickey Mantle and his Joplin team that he got while they were playing his hometown Enid, OK team. Technically, I'm free to do what I want, to sell it, right? Yes, I am. However, my dad is a sentimental guy and envisions that ball being passed down in our family. It would hurt him deeply if I sold it. I, being a human being, who likes to think I have some empathy and understanding that not everyone lives by the same code of logic, would never sell this ball.

Rich or not, famous or not, what is happening with Kobe and his mother is sad.. as is just about anytime you need to bring legalities into a conversation relating to family.

[Jlighter]

Another wrinkle unfolds.

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/s...put-hold-judge

[Peter_Spaeth]

I predict the calif court will abstain in favor of the new jersey court

[Eric72]

My humble opinion here is that, if a ruling is made in California, this case will wind up in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals...at which point, all bets are off.

In any event, this should be interesting.

[itjclarke]

Right on.. Save Kobe's gear!!