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Old 04-26-2007, 04:46 PM
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Posted By: Justin

I recently won an Edd Roush 1915 Cracker Jack off ebay. I am just wondering how you all think it might grade?

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Old 04-26-2007, 04:54 PM
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Posted By: Steve M.

SGC is tough, tough, tough on writing. You're likely looking at an SGC 10.

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Old 04-26-2007, 04:55 PM
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What about psa?

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Old 04-26-2007, 04:57 PM
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Posted By: Jeff Prizner

probably looking at a PSA 3(mk) or PSA 4(mk) at best.

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Old 04-26-2007, 05:43 PM
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Posted By: Dave S

Justin...the card will grade a "20 FAIR"...it came from the same guy that I got the Maranville and Huggins from that are on now, SGC 20'ed both of them. All 3 are basically identical condition with the same writing...

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Old 04-26-2007, 11:22 PM
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Posted By: Dylan

You can send to psa and get the mk qualifer, thats really your only chance of getting above a "good" grade.

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Old 04-27-2007, 07:06 AM
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Posted By: T206Collector

Not just a pencil eraser, but an art eraser. And then very very carefully erase the pencil marks on both sides. If you do a good enough job, it'll rise above an SGC 10. But since some aspect of the writing or erasing will likely still be visible, you'll never get above a 40, and a 20 or 30 are more likely. But if you submit as is, I'd agree you're looking at a flat 10.

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Old 04-27-2007, 10:54 AM
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Have to disagree with the last statement. Being that all 3 of these are in hand, and all 3 are condition-same, the card will grade a "20" as-is, as the other 2 did. I think should you attempt to erase you are likely only lowering the grade...

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Posted By: T206Collector

...two T206 cards that I had, which were very nice 40's with pencil erasures on the reverse. One was previously a PSA 4 (MK).

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Posted By: Dave S

Understandable..assuming that the letters will erase and leave erasure marks only; if the letters do not remove completely, that's another can of worms, and a bigger problem...

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Old 04-27-2007, 11:51 AM
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Posted By: Bob

Hard to believe the card would get a 20 from SGC, but if its dopelgangers did, I guess it might. The problem I have had with SGC is that on blank backed cards which are normally exish, SGC nose-dives the grades down to a 10 for writing on the back. There are a lot of Zeenuts floating around that were "catalogued" many years ago and have a small, discrete number in fountain pen ink on the top back. An otherwise creaseless SGC 50 falls all the way to a 10 because of this. Conversely, you have a card with rips, tears, holes, stains and more creases than you can count, also getting a 10. How can this be justified? Not just me, ask anyone who collects blank back cards (particularly Zeenuts) and submits them to SGC, and the results are the same. I have ordered Zeenuts from catalogues described as "excellent" and indeed they are beauties but have that catalogue type number on the back and plummet to a 10 or once in a while a 20. Discouraging. it reminds me of the situation a few years ago when SGC was hammering any Obak which had that small purple stamped number on the back (a majority do) and was brutal in their grading of them. Now that you have all those exish looking Obaks in 20 holders floating around, SGC now has changed their policy and included stamped back on their labels so a 40 or 50 may be no where near as nice as a 20 or 30 graded 5 years ago....

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Posted By: Dave S

Here's a stamped Moriarty that is more distinctly marked than the others...also holdered "20"...so if I may further the question? Supposedly, a mark is a mark is a mark, right? Are "stamps", "markings", "stains", and paper-loss perhaps weighted differently by the grader?

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