Hey, pennant guys

[Fballguy]

Nice work with the Oxy guys. It does a good job not only with overall discoloration but if there are spots too. They come out just by soaking, no spot treatment necessary. Late 70s into the 80s is the sweet spot for Oxy. It's harsher than retro clean but the newer pennants hold up to it.

And like Marc said, no need to hold down. I just make sure the pennant is saturated thoroughly then let it float until I like the results. And be careful with red. It's totally doable, just requires a little more attentiveness because red spines will definitely run. But if you swish the water every 15 minutes or so, the red washes away and will eventually stop running.

I was just extolling the virtue of 80s pennants to Kyle yesterday so these posts are very timely. There are some very rare pennants from the 80s, if you can stomach wading through all the 80s junk. Keep it up. Maybe we can start a movement.

[ooo-ribay]

I doubt the “Heavy Hitters” will ever wade into the (19)80s

[ooo-ribay]

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[thetahat]

Geez, Trench …

[Domer05]

Too soon??

Too soon.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Geez, Trench …

Well that's pretty morbid for a non-sports pennant. I'm glad they didn't do this type of thing with their sports pennants, or we might have...

The paralysis of Roy Campanella
The freezing of Ted Williams' head
The snapping of Joe Theisman's leg
The suicide of Donnie Moore
or
The injection of Barry Bonds' butt cheek

(Apologies to Rob for that last one)

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Well that's pretty morbid for a non-sports pennant. I'm glad they didn't do this type of thing with their sports pennants, or we might have...

The paralysis of Roy Campanella
The freezing of Ted Williams' head
The snapping of Joe Theisman's leg
The suicide of Donnie Moore
or
The injection of Barry Bonds' butt cheek

(Apologies to Rob for that last one)

They could at least have made a Giants Polo Grounds pennant with a little guy using binoculars in the outfield ….

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Well that's pretty morbid for a non-sports pennant. I'm glad they didn't do this type of thing with their sports pennants, or we might have...

The paralysis of Roy Campanella
The freezing of Ted Williams' head
The snapping of Joe Theisman's leg
The suicide of Donnie Moore
or
The injection of Barry Bonds' butt cheek

(Apologies to Rob for that last one)

Think of the possibilities with OJ. The fun the air brusher could have with that. "OJ kills Nicole". It would look like a Jackson Pollock painting.

Wonder which company made this societal reject? If they had a Manson Family pennant, I'd be all over it.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Well that's pretty morbid for a non-sports pennant. I'm glad they didn't do this type of thing with their sports pennants, or we might have...


The freezing of Ted Williams' head

Did you guys see the thread “Looking for Ted Williams pieces”?

A smart ass reply instantly came to my mind.

[perezfan]

Man, we're going downhill fast. Not sure I can ever look at a Pollock painting the same way again.

[Fballguy]

Any thoughts on this one? Baseball or travel? The Tiger on the label seems too coincidental, no? Was this a logo of The Reproduction Company?

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Any thoughts on this one? Baseball or travel? The Tiger on the label seems too coincidental, no? Was this a logo of The Reproduction Company?

It's a legit Reproduction Co. label. In fact, I can date this specific label to ca. 1914. They used it on plenty of travel/souvenir and special event pennants manufactured during the mid-1910s.

For some reason, this company, which was based in Manhattan (and later, Brooklyn) really liked tigers. Of the four labels I've found of theirs used between 1908-1921, two featured tigers: one with a full body of a tiger; the other with only the head.

Unfortunately, I believe it's just a coincidence that there's a tiger on this "Detroit" pennant's label. I'm pretty sure this is a travel/souvenir pennant. They made a lot of these for many cities and states. They mostly all looked like this "Detroit" pennant, down to the same Gothic font. Usually, these were 100% screen printed; but, some, like this "Detroit" pennant, featured sewed letters.

The Reproduction Co. did make two known professional baseball pennants; however, unlike their travel/souvenir pennants, each were undeniably baseball pennants; and, both were made closer to 1910. As you'll see, they don't resemble the "Detroit" pennant at all. Here they are below....

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by Domer05

It's a legit Reproduction Co. label. In fact, I can date this specific label to ca. 1914. They used it on plenty of travel/souvenir and special event pennants manufactured during the mid-1910s.

For some reason, this company, which was based in Manhattan (and later, Brooklyn) really liked tigers. Of the four labels I've found of theirs used between 1908-1921, two featured tigers: one with a full body of a tiger; the other with only the head.

Unfortunately, I believe it's just a coincidence that there's a tiger on this "Detroit" pennant's label. I'm pretty sure this is a travel/souvenir pennant. They made a lot of these for many cities and states. They mostly all looked like this "Detroit" pennant, down to the same Gothic font. Usually, these were 100% screen printed; but, some, like this "Detroit" pennant, featured sewed letters.

The Reproduction Co. did make two known professional baseball pennants; however, unlike their travel/souvenir pennants, each were undeniably baseball pennants; and, both were made closer to 1910. As you'll see, they don't resemble the "Detroit" pennant at all. Here they are below....

Great stuff as always Kyle. I typically find pennants with no team name pretty dubious. But the logo here was a curveball. I can only imagine how many collectors over the last 100+ years were sure this was a baseball pennant because of that tiger logo on the back. But, as Paul Harvey used to say...

[perezfan]

It still might be a Tigers Pennant, but it has nothing to do with the tag. The Tigers definitely used that gothic style font, and the colors are also perfect for the Tigers.

Of course it's still a leap of faith, and not one that I'd sink a lot of money into. But I would never-the-less give it close to a 50/50 chance of being a Tigers pennant.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by perezfan

It still might be a Tigers Pennant, but it has nothing to do with the tag. The Tigers definitely used that gothic style font, and the colors are also perfect for the Tigers.

Of course it's still a leap of faith, and not one that I'd sink a lot of money into. But I would never-the-less give it close to a 50/50 chance of being a Tigers pennant.

You're more knowledgeable than I, but I would only give it a 10% chance...if that.

[MK]

Originally Posted by Domer05

It's a legit Reproduction Co. label. In fact, I can date this specific label to ca. 1914. They used it on plenty of travel/souvenir and special event pennants manufactured during the mid-1910s.

For some reason, this company, which was based in Manhattan (and later, Brooklyn) really liked tigers. Of the four labels I've found of theirs used between 1908-1921, two featured tigers: one with a full body of a tiger; the other with only the head.

Unfortunately, I believe it's just a coincidence that there's a tiger on this "Detroit" pennant's label. I'm pretty sure this is a travel/souvenir pennant. They made a lot of these for many cities and states. They mostly all looked like this "Detroit" pennant, down to the same Gothic font. Usually, these were 100% screen printed; but, some, like this "Detroit" pennant, featured sewed letters.

The Reproduction Co. did make two known professional baseball pennants; however, unlike their travel/souvenir pennants, each were undeniably baseball pennants; and, both were made closer to 1910. As you'll see, they don't resemble the "Detroit" pennant at all. Here they are below....

This pennant sold on eBay several years ago and it had a Reproduction Co tag on the back. I did not win it, but did keep a photo and a note about the tag.

[thetahat]

What an INCREDIBLE Cubs pennant in INCREDIBLE condition. That’s maybe close to five figures in the current market.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by MK

This pennant sold on eBay several years ago and it had a Reproduction Co tag on the back. I did not win it, but did keep a photo and a note about the tag.

Mike, you sure it wasn't a Spalding Bros. label, like the moth-eaten one that just sold for like $600 last month on what otherwise appeared to be the same pennant?

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

What an INCREDIBLE Cubs pennant in INCREDIBLE condition. That’s maybe close to five figures in the current market.

Five figures? Like 1/660th of a Honus Wagner card?

[MK]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Mike, you sure it wasn't a Spalding Bros. label, like the moth-eaten one that just sold for like $600 last month on what otherwise appeared to be the same pennant?

Here’s the thread when I asked about it in 2014.

https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=184244

[thetahat]

Very cool Cubs WGN 75th anniversary pennant just sold on eBay, rare color version. Mike, I think you have this already? … did anyone here win it?

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Very cool Cubs WGN 75th anniversary pennant just sold on eBay, rare color version. Mike, I think you have this already? … did anyone here win it?

75th anniversary of the Cubs or of WGN?

[Domer05]

Yet another former ASCO employee contacted me recently. David Kulas worked for Lars Granberg back in the early 1970s. He was Assistant Sales Manager for ASCO's Button House division; and National Sales Manager for Idea Promotions, another offshoot of the parent company.

We spoke for nearly an hour. I asked him for some good pennant stories, to "share with my readers." He gave me this gem....

In 1971 he was working at ASCO/Button House. The pirates were in the World Series. It was looking like the Pirates might win it all. Accordingly, some vendor contacted ASCO about pre-ordering 5,000 "World Champion" pennants. ASCO got right to work, made up a quick design, printed 5,000 of them, then overnighted them to the vendor in Pittsburgh.

The next day someone from ASCO telephoned the vendor to ensure the product had arrived safely. It had. There was only one problem, the vendor stated: "You spelled Pittsburgh wrong!" In their haste to make the pennant, someone in Winona left off the "h" in Pittsburgh. The parties agreed to talk in an hour or so about a plan forward, and the call ended.

When they spoke again an hour later, ASCO was prepared to eat the loss and re-make and re-ship a new order of pennants--this time, with the typo corrected. "Don't bother," said the vendor, "we sold'em already."

In such circumstances, these products would be destroyed. Mr. Kulas himself once made up a "Boston Red Socks" pennant for a vendor outside Fenway Park. In that instance, the product was rejected and subsequently destroyed. But the Bucs were hot; and nobody seemed to mind the typo (or, more likely, nobody noticed!). So, 5,000 of these misspelled pennants made it to market.

Perhaps someone here owns one? No question about it: Mike Knapp (71buc) is the expert on 1971 Pirates pennants ... but even he isn't aware of such a pennant.

[ooo-ribay]

Great story, Kyle.

I’d say “Thanks for sharing,” but I hate that expression!

Edit: you’ve given Mike Knapp something new to look for.

[71buc]

Great story! I'll be actively search for one of those.

[bocca001]

I just got this "error" pennant.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by bocca001

I just got this "error" pennant.

I have one of those but I remember some clown on eBay, years ago, who was asking $60. He relisted it over and over. I offered $30, multiple times. He never took me up on it. What is it with some sellers? I guess they’ve never heard of the “bird in the hand.”

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by bocca001

I just got this "error" pennant.

From the days of the Crazy Crab …

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I have one of those but I remember some clown on eBay, years ago, who was asking $60. He relisted it over and over. I offered $30, multiple times. He never took me up on it. What is it with some sellers? I guess they’ve never heard of the “bird in the hand.”

Since we're talking about errors, I can't get too into pins/buttons because of all the repros out there but I got this in a lot that was so cheap I was forced to buy it.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

From the days of the Crazy Crab …

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[thetahat]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

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Awesome cap … SportsLogos.net has the hat logo (with script Giants) discontinued after 1982 season but Crazy Crab was 1984. So it may not be “official” merchandise. Still very cool!

[perezfan]

Does anyone here really think this is vintage (as advertised?) Sad that it has 10 bids already....

https://www.ebay.com/itm/33412648168...oAAOSwYuJhJuw4

[Duluth Eskimo]

I have personally never seen that pennant and in Mpls here I’ve seen and sold just about every Milwaukee Braves pennant over the years. I’m looking on my phone so it’s tough to tell, but the material and piping appears to be felt. It just seems too bright white to be vintage. Also, most Milw Braves pennants had some sort of color either felt, piping, graphics, etc. Never just black and white.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Does anyone here really think this is vintage (as advertised?) Sad that it has 10 bids already....

https://www.ebay.com/itm/33412648168...oAAOSwYuJhJuw4

100% not vintage. The stitching on the spine is trademark modern repop.

[erikc21]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Awesome cap … SportsLogos.net has the hat logo (with script Giants) discontinued after 1982 season but Crazy Crab was 1984. So it may not be “official” merchandise. Still very cool!

I had to re-read the first part of the message twice. My son says ‘cap’ or ‘no cap’ meaning ‘bs’ or ‘no bs’. I thought you were saying awesome bs . Damn kids changing my vernacular…

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by erikc21

I had to re-read the first part of the message twice. My son says ‘cap’ or ‘no cap’ meaning ‘bs’ or ‘no bs’. I thought you were saying awesome bs . Damn kids changing my vernacular…

That’s an expression I have not heard.

Greg - did you know the original plan was for free crab cocktails on the final day of the 1984 season? That way, the fans would eat the mascot.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

That’s an expression I have not heard.

Greg - did you know the original plan was for free crab cocktails on the final day of the 1984 season? That way, the fans would eat the mascot.

Really? That’s cool. I think the crab would have outhit Johnny LeMaster (who I think retired that season, or the league finally retired him).

[ooo-ribay]

OK, the heavy hitters can move on. This is for the low brows like myself, FB Rob and Marc...














I purposely bought the worst pennant I could find (for 7 bucks). Here's what my generic Oxyclean did:

[bocca001]

Nice... I no longer fear the brown pennants.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Nice... I no longer fear the brown pennants.

Luckily, I don’t think I’m competing with you for any of the “white” 70s-80s pennants!

[UKCardGuy]

Anybody see this listing for a Grain Belt Vikings Pennant?

It's not something I'm after, but I remember that others were after these.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Minnesota-V...-127632-2357-0

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Anybody see this listing for a Grain Belt Vikings Pennant?

It's not something I'm after, but I remember that others were after these.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Minnesota-V...-127632-2357-0

That thing is awesome! I wonder what the “Pre” on the jersey means?

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

That thing is awesome! I wonder what the “Pre” on the jersey means?

I agree. It's pretty great. I'm assuming Pre refers to their Grain Belt Premium beer...but that's just my assumption.

[Duluth Eskimo]

Those are very difficult to find pennants, even in Mpls area. Seller is a great guy

[ooo-ribay]

FWIW, I put it on my watch list and got an offer of $150 off from the seller.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Anybody see this listing for a Grain Belt Vikings Pennant?

It's not something I'm after, but I remember that others were after these.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Minnesota-V...-127632-2357-0

I think others may have been looking for the Twins version.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

FWIW, I put it on my watch list and got an offer of $150 off from the seller.

Same here.... haven't checked to see if it's ended yet.

[thetahat]

Don’t know how many Twitter users there are here but this guy is a great follow and that is one great jacket. Is that a trolley car on the shoulder?

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Don’t know how many Twitter users there are here but this guy is a great follow and that is one great jacket. Is that a trolley car on the shoulder?

Sweet warm-up jacket!! Yes, I think a cable car like the Warriors now have.

Joe Pettini?....4 years a Giant; .203 BA, 1 HR. In 1980, he turned the only Giants triple play in Candlestick history with two other rookie luminaries...Guy Sularz; 4 years a Giant; .218 BA, also 1 HR and Rich Murray; two years a Giant; .216 BA with four HR.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Sweet warm-up jacket!! Yes, I think a cable car like the Warriors now have.

Joe Pettini?....4 years a Giant; .203 BA, 1 HR. In 1980, he turned the only Giants triple play in Candlestick history with two other rookie luminaries...Guy Sularz; 4 years a Giant; .218 BA, also 1 HR and Rich Murray; two years a Giant; .216 BA with four HR.

Did you run out of Willie Mays stamps or something?? Regardless, I approve.