E93 Standard Caramel Black & White Cards?

[Orioles1954]

Hello everyone,

Has anybody ever heard of black and white cards from the E93 series? We just got a SGC example consigned to us and it's news to me. Scans of any existing cards?

James

[ullmandds]

nope...could it be an e97 b/w mislabelled?

[chaddurbin]

james u have a scan? there's no overlapping e93s/e97s

[Orioles1954]

I will post a scan on Monday when this gets back from SGC.

[chaddurbin]

who's the player? is it blank back? hand cut?

[Orioles1954]

By the way, I examined the card briefly before we submitted it. The player is Ty Cobb, which rules out E97. It looks very much like a Clement Brothers example, except with the E93, E94 and E98 pose. The card is blank backed.

[chaddurbin]

very cool james, sound like a sick card for your employer!

since you briefly handled it how is the paper stock compared to a normal e93/e94/e98? did sgc go the safe route and gave it an Authentic?

also it'd be interesting to see the crop of cobb's photo...as there's a difference between e93/e98 and e94, maybe this card is something totally different.

[Orioles1954]

Quan,

The card has normal paper stock, is not hand cut and uses a full uncropped pose. I won't know if a technical grade was assigned until Monday. Our Auction Manager was in New Jersey today and simply told us the Cobb came back as an "E93 Black & White blank back".

[ullmandds]

thanks for correcting me, Quan...I can't wait to see this!

[Leon]

First off it sounds interesting. I am going to guess it's a printing abnormality from one of the sets that use that pose.....albeit they are each cropped differently. Can't wait to see a scan...

[Wesley]

Is it just missing color ink from the production process? There was a sheet of E92 Nadja St Louis players that had no colors. There are plenty of T206 scraps with no colors, including the T206 Plank that was sold in the last Heritage auction. We have seen several E93 sheet with color but with no print on the back. I have never heard of a sheet of E93s that is missing all the colors though. A scan would be great if you have one.

[Wesley]

Originally Posted by Orioles1954

By the way, I examined the card briefly before we submitted it. The player is Ty Cobb, which rules out E97. It looks very much like a Clement Brothers example, except with the E93, E94 and E98 pose. The card is blank backed.

You should be able to distinguish between the E93, E94 and E98 by how much of Cobb's torso is showing.

[caramelcard]

Hmm, this sounds like a cool find. Looking forward to seeing it.

Wes,

The T206s you're talking about are missing colors, but aren't black and white. They're yellow right? Never seen a black and white T206.

Rob

[Wesley]

Rob,
Yes the T206 print scraps including the Plank look yellow.

Also the Nadja missing the colors also had a yellowish tint.
Wes

[caramelcard]

Missed that Heritage Plank, but just tried to look at it. The scan is small since I don't have an account with them, but it does look white. Cool card.
Perhaps for a different thread, but the amount of printer's scrap for T206 Plank that I've seen (more than one missing colors) definitely adds to the mystique about why the card is so rare. Relatively rare that is.

Looking forward to seeing this weird E93.

Brian McQueen's grey E94 I believe demonstrates what happens when the cards from that issue are missing colors, but even that example is not black and white. If it's an E93, obviously the card should've been orange, so it must be missing everything.

[Jim VB]

Robert,

Here's a stolen scan.

[chaddurbin]

yea the cobb sounds pretty unique. after seeing kevin's work and the fake e94 OP in an SGC holder i'm anxious to see this cool card. if it has a solid history/provenance that'd make a cool hobby discovery. i'll get jim b. right on the case...

[Orioles1954]

Hello everyone,

Our Auction Manager got back from SGC HQ right before I left home for the evening. I will try to get a scan tomorrow if our photographer is working this weekend. If not, definitely by Monday. SGC encapsulated the Cobb as an E93 Standard Caramel and underneath the name added the notation (Black & White, Blank Back) . The card was given the grade of SGC Authentic. From what I gather, SGC did not consider the Cobb a proof due to the absense of guide lines and it not being hand cut. Perhaps it's an early production?

James

[Leon]

Thanks for the update James. That sounds like a great card. SGC sounds like they labeled it the way it should be too (imo). I have never heard of another e93 with those characteristics. I have seen a card from another series that has similar characteristics though. SGC labeled it the same way.....Can't wait to see a scan. thanks again for sharing