PWCC is alive and well

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Pay back restitution for a small percentage of the bad cards......some probation/community service, maybe some home detention....that's about all I see coming from this.....
there is a deal behind each and every courthouse door

Fixed it for you.
We'll see what happens, I guess. I am glad at least some significant amount has been repaid, in the meantime.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Fixed it for you.
We'll see what happens, I guess. I am glad at least some significant amount has been repaid, in the meantime.

yup it's peanuts in the grand scheme of things....the same crap will always be in this industry....it's a shame....

[CuriousGeorge]

Johnny, believe me I get it and feel your pain, but do you really think this is very different than many other industries? Unfortunately this is how it often works in the world and while this one digs a little deeper because it’s what we know and love, it’s likely just another scam in another business to the people investigating it.

Originally Posted by Johnny630

yup it's peanuts in the grand scheme of things....the same crap will always be in this industry....it's a shame....

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by CuriousGeorge

Johnny, believe me I get it and feel your pain, but do you really think this is very different than many other industries? Unfortunately this is how it often works in the world and while this one digs a little deeper because it’s what we know and love, it’s likely just another scam in another business to the people investigating it.

Wow.....I don’t know how to reply to that.....

[CuriousGeorge]

You don’t need to respond but unfortunately it’s sad and true. Corruption is everywhere. The mayor of NYC sells out his office to donors. The governor of NY’s best friends are in jail for taking and making bribes but he of course knew nothing. It sucks but this is life. If TPG are going to have relaxed restrictions as to how they grade cards, unscrupulous people are going to try and exploit it. Don’t hate the player, hate the game.

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Wow.....I don’t know how to reply to that.....

[barrysloate]

No politics please. Net54 is a politics free zone.

[bounce]

Originally Posted by CuriousGeorge

Don’t hate the player, hate the game.

You mean the game where each of us gets to set our own rules of how to play, and can then change those rules, or change the game being played entirely, based on what we decide is in our own, or our clients, or our shareholders, or [insert interested/related party name here] self-interest?

I'm not trying to be malicious or attacking, please don't read it that way. I'm smiling while I type. But, that was kind of a throw away line.

And, one other thing. I guess if we don't like it, we can just do what Joe O says and basically "take our ball home". Don't Get Cheated - Yep, now that line was PERFECT!

[CuriousGeorge]

I will take that in the spirit in which it was given and I do appreciate that, but my point is really that in any industry there will always be people trying to game the system if given the opportunity. So for me the question is why were the Brent’s and Moser’s and apparently many others allowed to get away with this for so long when they never should have been able to if TPG’s of the world were doing their jobs even remotely correctly? To me as much as I may dislike what Brent and the rest have done, it is the PSA’s and the like perhaps who are the far bigger problem. It’s cute that Orlando and Sloan are laughing now, but as they say, he who laughs last, laughs best.

Originally Posted by bounce

You mean the game where each of us gets to set our own rules of how to play, and can then change those rules, or change the game being played entirely, based on what we decide is in our own, or our clients, or our shareholders, or [insert interested/related party name here] self-interest?

I'm not trying to be malicious or attacking, please don't read it that way. I'm smiling while I type. But, that was kind of a throw away line.

And, one other thing. I guess if we don't like it, we can just do what Joe O says and basically "take our ball home". Don't Get Cheated - Yep, now that line was PERFECT!

[tschock]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

yup it's peanuts in the grand scheme of things....the same crap will always be in this industry hobby....it's a shame....

Freudian slip?