2016 Hall of Fame Ballot, Who would you vote for?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

I feel Bonds will likely get in one day, but the fact that he did use performance enhancers forever taints his accomplishments in my eyes.

Do you consider amphetamines performance enhancers?

[dgo71]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Do you consider amphetamines performance enhancers?

Not nearly to the degree of steroids. I equate greenies and all that crap to Gaylord Perry's spitball. Yes, players were more alert. No, they didn't (generally) see their home run totals spike by 200% in any given season. The effects anabolic steroids have to a person's body is night and day compared to amphetamines.

[HRBAKER]

Evidently Bonds felt he needed to cheat.

[CMIZ5290]

I would be shocked if Bonds ever gets in. JMO....

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Do you consider amphetamines performance enhancers?

Yes, but I pretty much agree with Derek's opinion. I know that Mays and others have admitted to using greenies. Greenies, to my knowledge, didn't completely alter a player's body type, add muscle, help players recover faster from injuries, etc. I could of course be wrong, as I haven't done serious reading as to the differences between the two (from a recognizable, expert source). All I know is that when you look at a player like Henry Aaron, he was 170 lbs in 1956. In 1975, he was 180 lbs. Barry Bonds in 1987 was 165 lbs. By 2007, he weighed 230 lbs.

Bonds added 65 pounds to his frame. I know that the kind of weight training done today really didn't exist back in the 1950s and 1960s, at least it wasn't done in Major League Baseball. But conditioning and exercise program aside, Bonds adding 65 pounds to his frame just seems unnatural to me.

Edit to add, I would be interested in your position on the two, Peter. I respect your opinion.

[packs]

Will they ever hold another Negro League vote?

[dgo71]

Originally Posted by packs

Will they ever hold another Negro League vote?

I seem to remember them saying that the vote in 2007 would be the last time they considered Negro League players but I could be misremembering. I sure hope they hold another as there are still several viable candidates, most notably Buck O'Neill and Minnie Minoso.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by dgo71

i seem to remember them saying that the vote in 2007 would be the last time they considered negro league players but i could be misremembering. I sure hope they hold another as there are still several viable candidates, most notably buck o'neill and minnie minoso.

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[howard38]

Originally Posted by dgo71

I seem to remember them saying that the vote in 2007 would be the last time they considered Negro League players but I could be misremembering. I sure hope they hold another as there are still several viable candidates, most notably Buck O'Neill and Minnie Minoso.

If Minoso makes it into the HOF it will be for his major league career so he is probably still eligible.

[chaddurbin]

I can count the number of players better than bonds in history doing baseball things on one hand...so it's an injustice that he's not in yet. I dont begrudge cobb for not hitting more home runs in the deadball era. I dont begrudge ruth doing ruthian things against only white players...so why should i penalize bonds putting up video game numbers against his juiced up peers?

Hes a hofer in any era, but because hes a byproduct of the ped era people dont want to give the man his dues alongside cobb ruth and williams. Hey bbwaa dinosaurs...become extinct already!

[packs]

I think there's more to it than that. Bonds was defiant, wouldn't admit what he did, more or less had a man do time for him, and cheated for the most superficial reasons you can name. He's a blight on the sport.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

Yes, but I pretty much agree with Derek's opinion. I know that Mays and others have admitted to using greenies. Greenies, to my knowledge, didn't completely alter a player's body type, add muscle, help players recover faster from injuries, etc. I could of course be wrong, as I haven't done serious reading as to the differences between the two (from a recognizable, expert source). All I know is that when you look at a player like Henry Aaron, he was 170 lbs in 1956. In 1975, he was 180 lbs. Barry Bonds in 1987 was 165 lbs. By 2007, he weighed 230 lbs.

Bonds added 65 pounds to his frame. I know that the kind of weight training done today really didn't exist back in the 1950s and 1960s, at least it wasn't done in Major League Baseball. But conditioning and exercise program aside, Bonds adding 65 pounds to his frame just seems unnatural to me.

Edit to add, I would be interested in your position on the two, Peter. I respect your opinion.

I find it hard to draw the line between what one generation used to enhance their performance and what another used, on the basis that the later generation had better stuff. The intent was the same, to get whatever edge they could. I would guess if nothing else, amphetamines reduce sensitivity to pain, I believe they are used for that purpose in combat. So to lionize Aaron Mays and Mantle and to condemn Bonds and Clemens?? I don't know.

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

Yes, but I pretty much agree with Derek's opinion. I know that Mays and others have admitted to using greenies. Greenies, to my knowledge, didn't completely alter a player's body type, add muscle, help players recover faster from injuries, etc. I could of course be wrong, as I haven't done serious reading as to the differences between the two (from a recognizable, expert source). All I know is that when you look at a player like Henry Aaron, he was 170 lbs in 1956. In 1975, he was 180 lbs. Barry Bonds in 1987 was 165 lbs. By 2007, he weighed 230 lbs.

Bonds added 65 pounds to his frame. I know that the kind of weight training done today really didn't exist back in the 1950s and 1960s, at least it wasn't done in Major League Baseball. But conditioning and exercise program aside, Bonds adding 65 pounds to his frame just seems unnatural to me.

Edit to add, I would be interested in your position on the two, Peter. I respect your opinion.

Even if you can accept his 65 added pounds, how does someone's head increase a couple sizes????