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https://www.ebay.com/itm/PELE-1958-R...sAAOSw3npb2144
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Maybe Al can help us with this one ...
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Really gorgeous cards either way. Has anyone seen any sales of the Pele?
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Not a rookie!
Here, I found this last night:
It looks similar to the one the OP posted. If you compare them, you will also notice that the image posted by the OP looks like it was damaged by UV rays. This leads me to believe that it was probably a store window display. Again, if I got some window display from 1951 that features the New York Yankees, and I were to cut out the Mickey Mantle, do you think I could call it a 'rookie?' You Americans would laugh in my face if I did that, right? Now I do understand that it's different when it comes to soccer cards, because they were issued in other countries, and they come in all sizes and shapes, however, a lot of the old rules that were laid out by Beckett still apply. For example, for any card to be considered a 'rookie' it has to come from a set. It also has to be a base card as well. Pretty much all the vintage soccer cards that we discuss on this forum meet this criteria.
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Great Find!!!
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That said, item #2 & #3 of the OP clearly have perforated edges (like a stamp) and came with a card stock with spots made for gluing them on. I feel like that would qualify as a rookie card, just as much as a Panini album can qualify as a rookie, because they had the same intent as a Panini album. I don't think American rookie rules can apply to foreign soccer issues. For example if Mickey Mantle had a 1951 sticker released via an album, there would be a good argument it couldn't be a rookie card because it's a sticker and goes in an album, as opposed to card board, and stickers and albums would never qualify for a rookie according to Beckett for an American card. But I fully count a Panini sticker from a foreign issued album because this was the manner of distribution for that country and different countries have different 'cards' (or stickers). So I am still thinking that these might be considered rookies |
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That auction got one bid (not mine) at 10k! While I believe this to probably be a 1958 issue, I am not 100% sure, which is why I could not bid. Given the fact that it is a homage to the 1958 winning squad, at least we know that it is AFTER the 1958 World Cup. That said, I imagine that everyone would be trying to capitalize on the victory in close proximity to the World Cup from an advertising perspective. At the very least my guess would be late 1958 or early 1959 - though I am still trying to track down the album (of which many did not have dates, anyway).
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There's a set from Argentina that's from 1964 but the only identifying references are the 1962 World Cup. I don't think that just because it says '58 World Cup on it means it's from '58.
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There is still a bit of "Wild West" in soccer cards for now....
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