Post War baseball card forum (tab) on Net54 ?

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Posted By: leon

This was brought up in another thread, so like everything else, I would like some feedback....

Would there be enough interest for another "tab" like the memorabilia one to have post war cards? Would it dilute this one in a negative way? What year would it go to, or would it go all the way to 2007? The memorabilia forum we started is nice and doesn't ever get into the disputes as this one does so another one that is easy to manage would be no big deal...again, only if there is interest and it didn't negatively affect this one. Personally, I have about as much interest in newer cards as I do memorabilia but I still participate a little bit over there......Just some thoughts....and your thoughts?? (don't worry folks...the world won't cave in no matter what we do)

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

Leon, I think that would be a great idea...I also don't think it should be limited to a certain date that way we can all discuss the newest Derek Jeter/George Bush/Mickey Mantle card. I don't buy cards by the pack anymore, but I do buy a Topps factory set every year and I am working on past Topps sets with my son so it would be nice to have a place to discuss those cards and sets with people I know. Thanks.

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Posted By: Alan Elefson

Leon-
I think it is an excellent idea! When I first discovered this board a few years ago, I posted about an obscure 1960s set, not realizing the definition of vintage (pre WWII) that the board conformed to. However, I stuck around, as my passion is pre WWII stuff (although it is very difficult to find in the places I search: flea markets, antique shops, estate auctions, etc). Perhaps others will act similarly if there was another tab dealing with "newer vintage" cards. I could envision the size of this board (and thus the numbers of vintage collectors) swelling with "borderline" vintage collectors who might gravitate towards preWWII once they discover this part of the forum.
I believe the "newer vintage" section should be pre 1980, but could understand the cutoff being 1975 or 1970, however I do not believe it should go into the 1980s. Just my opinion, but I too would love to hear what others think.
Alan Elefson

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Posted By: Steve f

Okay, 1945-1969

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Posted By: Dave F

I'm probably the only one that would vote no. There is plenty of that it seems on the CU and Beckett boards (I would guess). Not exactly a ton of pre-war sites like this...I'd leave it...but I know I'm in the minority.

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

I think this is a good idea. The natural cutoff would be 1979, right before the time the competition between Topps, Donruss and Fleer ruined the modern baseball card market.

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Posted By: barrysloate

I agree that it would be a good idea but we need to set a cut off.

1949 Bowman, 1952 Topps, 1953 Bowman color, and 1957 Topps, to name a few, are classic sets and discussion of them would enhance the board.

But we do not want to get into discussing 2005 Topps refractors (I don't know if such a thing even exists).

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Dave, I would agree if it meant allowing talk of postwar cards on the main board. However, it will just be a tab on the top which should not affect anything.

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Posted By: Ed Ivey

Sounds like a great idea. How about pre-watergate?

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Posted By: andy becker

i think it would be good......can't hurt....and i do agree with alan, that the board link may spur on more pre-ww2 collectors.
imo, the cutoff should be 1979.
and, i'm not sure how.....but it would be nice if the focus of that board would be "non-mainstream" issues.

also, i think it would be great to link the vintage football board (frank's) to leon's board.


y'all (that was for you leon ) have a great time at the national.....i'm still trying to go.....but new baby and new job responsibilities have me up to my ears in diappers and pork chops.

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Posted By: Bill Stone

At the most my interest would end in 1955.

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Great idea Leon.

I would say 1948-69.

Would have significant traffic--probably surpassing this board over time.

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Posted By: Joe D.

different sports tabs.

Football, Boxing, Golf.

I know we have some who have interest in these areas (including myself).

I think it would bring a greater audience here - and it would allow the 'baseball' crowd to see cool vintage stuff from other sports.

jmho.

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Posted By: davidcycleback

If there's a cutoff, I would say Pre-1980. Cut off in the 1950s gives too narrow an area of discussion.

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Posted By: barrysloate

Why limit it to just sports?

Why not a site for rock music, as well as one for politics and religion? Politics always leads to some friendly banter!

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Posted By: Bob Pomilla

My thoughts are in line with those that set a cut-off at the point where the companys started with the insert insanity. Spare me the refractors superfractors, megafractors, superduperindustrialstrengthatomicrefractorgameuse djockillegibleautograghofsomenon-entitycombo#'dtoten horrors.

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Posted By: davidcycleback

And Dr. Who. Cutoff Tom Baker.

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Posted By: Dave Haas

Since most of the cards I collect are from the '30's, 40's and 50's I would like to see a tab for that era and to include the '60's. The 1970's and newer include too many different brands and sets.

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Posted By: barrysloate

What do refractors actually refract? Can you bounce light off them?

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Posted By: Mike

I think it's a good idea. Collectors have to start somewhere. Most collectors start as kids. Not everyone starts off their collecting with a Gehrig or Wagner card. it would be a way for the younger people to get involved, and to be able to use it as a learning tool, in their hopefully pre war future. I say cut it off around 1976 or so. Or maybe 69. Whatever, but not much later than that. I know it is blasphemy to say this publically in here, but there are some raritys beyond 1945 that people do collect, and are intersted in.

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Posted By: dennis

great idea! i would imagine that the majority of the collectors who visit this site do collect at least some post war issues,with a bunch who can remember buying these as children. we've had some great threads on this board about 49 leaf,buying packs etc....the reason for the 1980 cutoff is the end of the topps monopoly. i think maybe 1969 is the best cutoff date.

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Posted By: barrysloate

I think 1969 is a good cutoff date. If it gets too much more modern, the discussions will weaken. Does anybody really have any profound insights into the 1977 Topps set?

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Posted By: Gary Weatherhead

I would be all for a post war sports cards forum. I might suggest 1948 to 59 and 60 to 80 with another category for more recent cards and for other sports.

Gary

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Posted By: davidcycleback

Refraction is when a substance changes the speed and direction of light, such as light going through a prism or raindrops to create a rainbow. Refractor cards have a transparent film on them that refracts the light. If you look at a refractor card in person, it has a light rainbow-like appearance.

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Posted By: barrysloate

I don't think I ever saw a Topps refractor.

The key to a good discussion is a set that has some odd variations, noted scarcities, and a few unsolved mysteries. At what point do those attributes begin to disappear? Past the late 60's I don't think there is all that much to discuss.

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Posted By: dennis

they already have those forums you suggested on net 54

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Posted By: Al C.risafulli

I think this is supposed to be a prewar baseball card forum.

-Al

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Posted By: David G

Good idea. I would second the notion of a cutoff around 1970.

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Posted By: mark bowers

I would be a "lurker" no longer. Would definitely participate especially in the area of regionals and minor league between 1935 and 1965 or so - cards, publications and misc. Hope it becomes a reality.

Mark

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Posted By: martindl

I'm with Davidcycleback, though personally I'd make the cutoff be pre Baker i.e nothing after Jon Pertwee.

I like the idea of another tabbed board. I'd make the cutoff 1979, chiefly because collectors collecting their childhood would be in their mid 30's by now - a suitable age to get interested in prewar.

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Posted By: RayB

Network 55! ? Hmmmm.
RayB

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Posted By: Misunderestimated (Brian H.)

I guess I would put the cut-off at either 1980 or 1988 but it really makes no difference.
One question for Leon -
Do you guys really want to monitor/moderate it?
I would think this forum (or sub-forum) would generate a great deal of carping about grading -- primarily PSA because they have graded the vast majority of these cards (and these cards are generally collected in slabs) and have a much greater market share for this period than they do for the pre-WWII cards. (As you gointo the 80's Beckett seems to become a pretty strong player too)

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Posted By: Alan

I agree with Joe's post earlier. I would like to see a football forum, basketball forum, golf/tennis/boxing forum first.

Alan

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Posted By: Aaron C

I think pre-1980 would be good. But I definitely would recommend an addition of Boxing cards. I would personally enjoy the boxing topics and think others would as well.

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Posted By: MVSNYC

great idea!

at the moment i'm looking into getting some mickey mantle, jackie robinson, etc. cards...

i think the cut-off should be mickey mantle's last at bat! (end of the vintage era...basically 1969)...

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Posted By: leon

Very interesting comments. One thing I thought about at very first is that we could potentially attract new folks into the pre-war hobby....and the more the merrier....I need to speak with my technical guy (Brian) but I think there might be a way to accomodate both areas, post war AND other sports....and if Brian and I go too crazy we can modify/cancel whatever we need to. The good thing about running this board is that we can turn on a dime when doing stuff......This would all be related to what many of our 1000-1100 members already collect. It would give them a fairly safe place to talk about stuff....and not be censored with a bias...again, contrary to what a handful believe. I will never be able to aptly defend a perception. I can only defend historical, factual, information.

ps...I might be leaning to the cutoff of 1979...later than that and it gets a little ragged around the edges, imho

regards

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Posted By: Peck

It's a great idea! I think the B/S/T would be pretty active and the post war collectors might have some good pre war stuff they would like to move.

Leon . . Thanks for considering it.

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Posted By: dennis

pre war could be 18??s-1919,post war 1920-1969. just a thought since there is so little 20's thru 41 card talk here anyway.

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Posted By: Gilbert Maines

Barry, you are soo close ...
"The key to a good discussion is a set that has some odd variations, noted scarcities, and a few unsolved mysteries. At what point do those attributes begin to disappear"?
That is exactly the point! The point at which the attributes disappear.
Yes, the new forum should be about NOTHING!

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Posted By: andy becker

actually in 1977 topps tried to test the market in mexico and produced a football card set with spanish text that was parallel to the regular (domestic) football card set.
it is one of the more scarce post-war sets. some cards are reasonably common, for the issue, and others are almost impossible.

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Posted By: barrysloate

A forum about nothing...I think you may have something!

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Posted By: JimCrandell

"Why limit it to just sports? Why not a site for rock music, politics and religion"

Barry--are you trying to take away over half of the net 54 posts?

Seriously, I think having a 1948-69 board would have a neutral to slightly negative effect here. Topics not particularly relevant to pre-war cards(like David's threads) could move to that board.

LTS which now gets almost as many hits as Net54 deals with 1948-69 probably more than any other era. Likely that some LTS members would post on a new board as well as some PSA posters.

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Posted By: John D

I think it would be a great idea. A lot of card collectors collect many different things- ex., I collect vintage (pre and post-war), modern rcs, non sports cards, memorabilia, etc. Assuming the forums don't turn into 'let me spam my auctions endlessly' or useless drivel, then I think it would be of great use.

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Posted By: Gilbert Maines

Yeah, you don't want anything too meaty.
Remember: Better nuttin' than mutton.

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Posted By: barrysloate

But a post war board would be separate, and have no real effect on the main one. The memorabilia board is autonomous and the only connection it has to the card one is some of the Net54 crowd collects in both areas.

I can't see why a third board linked to Net54 would detract at all.

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Posted By: Anonymous

i think it makes sense, but what if something bad happens on that board and it refracts itself to this one? i don't know what a refractor is either, but if they're anything like the name implies, i am not interested in being transported to a place where hamburgers eat people instead of the other way around.

also, i thinklimiting it to 1979 would be good. this board is limited to ww2, but really, how many discussions have we seen on anything post-1920 compared to oj era and t206. in other words, keep it broad and let the most popular era shine.

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Posted By: Gilbert Maines

What about the Net54 Non-Sports Board? There not even Sports related. And if they do something refractorilly wrong, we could all get sucked into the collectors Black Hole.

This board linking is no different than Syndicate Baseball, I say stop it now before it spells our DOOM!

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Posted By: Stephen Mitchell

My proposal is simply to allow the proposed Post War baseball card forum (tab) to progress year-by-year as cards become 50 years old. Since this is 2007, the cutoff would be 1957... until 2008 when it would advance to 1958, etc., etc.

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Posted By: Jimmy

I would like to see another tab for boxing, football, golf and other sports related pre-war cards - maybe we can include post-war cards on a separate tab as well

Jimmy

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Posted By: Alan

I love collecting Jewish Boxing memorabilia, so put a priority to create a boxing forum !!!