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Old 06-01-2019, 10:41 PM
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Default Authentication Help, Please...Ted Williams and Johnny Bench

Another collector has offered these two signed 1970 Topps cards, Ted Williams and Johnny Bench. According to the collector, he got them signed in 1970.

I have reviewed many vintage signatures of each player as a means of comparison. I found some early Bench signatures that match up pretty well. I'm more skeptical of the Williams, but not confident in either.

I would appreciate any comments to help me assess whether these signatures are authentic. I really appreciate your help.

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Old 06-01-2019, 11:03 PM
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The pictures are too small and sigs either too light (Bench) or across a dark background (Williams) for most to render a reasonable opinion.
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Old 06-02-2019, 01:07 AM
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With the help of my daughter, I have expanded the area of the signature. Thanks for letting me know.

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Ted Williams 1970 Large.jpg
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Old 06-02-2019, 05:38 PM
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I hope the enlarged pictures give a better opportunity to assess the authentication. Any opinions are welcomed and appreciated.

Many thanks again.
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Old 06-02-2019, 08:33 PM
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Any comments are greatly appreciated.
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Old 06-03-2019, 08:37 AM
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The Williams seems awfully shakey unless it is a trace over
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Old 06-03-2019, 10:51 AM
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Thanks for your insight, Michael. I thought it seemed somewhat drawn. I hadn't considered a trace over.

Any thoughts about the Bench?
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Old 06-04-2019, 01:33 PM
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Any comments as to authenticity on either autograph are appreciated.
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Williams actually looks like a stamp to me, which he used a lot.
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Old 06-04-2019, 04:10 PM
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Thanks for that insight, Jack. The early 1970s was the time period when I was actively pursuing signed cards at hotels and through the mail. I never wrote Ted Williams because I had heard he would stamp the cards or have someone sign for him. This is consistent with my recollection of his signing habits, when approached through the mail. Thanks again.

I'd love to get some insights regarding the Bench autograph.
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Thanks for that insight, Jack. The early 1970s was the time period when I was actively pursuing signed cards at hotels and through the mail. I never wrote Ted Williams because I had heard he would stamp the cards or have someone sign for him. This is consistent with my recollection of his signing habits, when approached through the mail. Thanks again.

I'd love to get some insights regarding the Bench autograph.
It's a bit hard to see, but I do not like the formation of the letters on the Bench autograph. If you are on the fence, I would definitely hold off for a nicer example. Unless you are looking for that very card, there are a bunch of better examples out there that won't set you back too much.

Hope this helps!

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Old 06-06-2019, 12:23 AM
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Mark, that helps a lot. Thanks!!!
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