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Old 04-04-2018, 11:21 PM
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Default 1952 Bowman Stan Musial PSA 10 on eBay :o

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Lovely card. Somebody probably paid about $50 for it thirty years ago.
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Wowser!!! Very nice, but just a tad out of my price range.
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Lovely card. Somebody probably paid about $50 for it thirty years ago.
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Why Jeff?? Too perfect?? it doesn't have any of the telltale signs of being a fake,.
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wow...Stan looks "pack fresh!" you could cut your steak with those corners!
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wow...Stan looks "pack fresh!" you could cut your steak with those corners!
LOL...If you do, you aren't getting $10k for it anymore.
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Amazing card! I have my doubts on this card being unaltered
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Amazing card! I have my doubts on this card being unaltered
Beautiful card, but I have never had or seen one w/o one or both sides rough cut.
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Beautiful card, but I have never had or seen one w/o one or both sides rough cut.
Just checked my lowly 7 and yeah there is a bit of a rough cut on the right side.
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Just checked my lowly 7 and yeah there is a bit of a rough cut on the right side.
Maybe the edges are beyond the tolerances of the card and you can "Hand Cut" the edges down to the nominal size and have it regraded You are welcome
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Old 04-05-2018, 07:57 AM
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Beautiful card, but I have never had or seen one w/o one or both sides rough cut.
Glad I am not the only one that was seeing that. There is no paper or fiber pull anywhere either.
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Glad I am not the only one that was seeing that. There is no paper or fiber pull anywhere either.
It is a sad state in the hobby when anytime we see a perfect card we automatically wonder how/what was done to the card. Not saying that attitude isn't well deserved.

Andrew I suppose next you will be saying I own a altered 58 Topps Warren Spahn. Seriously I pack pulled it like that.
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It is a sad state in the hobby when anytime we see a perfect card we automatically wonder how/what was done to the card. Not saying that attitude isn't well deserved.

Andrew I suppose next you will be saying I own a altered 58 Topps Warren Spahn. Seriously I pack pulled it like that.
I love to see freshly graded high end example and normally don't scrutinize too much. For this card however, the normal attributes of a 1952 Musial are missing.
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Old 04-05-2018, 08:48 AM
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It is a sad state in the hobby when anytime we see a perfect card we automatically wonder how/what was done to the card. Not saying that attitude isn't well deserved.

Andrew I suppose next you will be saying I own a altered 58 Topps Warren Spahn. Seriously I pack pulled it like that.
LMAO!! At first I was wondering what the heck you were talking about then I remembered. That Spahn is a neat card though.
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Why Jeff?? Too perfect?? it doesn't have any of the telltale signs of being a fake,.
Exactly. Would have just assumed fake due to centering and corners before looking closer.
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The owner of my local card shop bought like 100 sets of 1986 Topps Update. He sent psa 100 EACH of the Canseco, Bonds, and Bo Jacksons. Mind you, these cards were all in a sealed set until the moment he sent them. Not one card received a PSA 10. Now tell me how a 60 year old card, which for about 30 of those years didn't have much financial value at all, can be pulled out of a pack of gum by some kid, stored god knows how, and remain a 10. I'm not sure, but I don't think they had nice holders for those cards in the 50's and 60's. It's truly amazing. Having have said all that, I just don't see how that card is worth 5-figures more than Peter's 7 (yes, I saw the right border). It is truly insane.
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I have long suspected there are politics involved in 10s, at least at the very expensive level.
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One seller, 17,000+ PSA 10s.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odk...sa+10&_sacat=0
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His 71 Seaver is no even close to a 10. 7 at best! A lot of 7-9 but nothing a true ten
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hand cut 10's...hostess 10's...he definitely has friends in high places!!!
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wow...Stan looks "pack fresh!" you could cut your steak with those corners!
Oops. Sorry, thought I was in the prewar section. Pardon my canines
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One of the great mysteries of the hobby is why some Mint cards get 9's and some get 10's. All of them are basically the same, so some other factor is involved in the decision.
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What stood out to me was the amount of junk-era crap that isn't even worth grading unless you are guaranteed a 10. And even at a 10, they are only worth a few bucks more than the cost of grading. I can understand graded cards selling for $10 when they obviously just came in lower than the owner had hoped. But a psa 10 for $10.00 seems like a $3 profit in a best case scenerio.
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One of my best friends in the hobby would walk the floor of every show he went to (and he went to alot) looking at 52 Bowman's and specifically at Musial's. He must have shown me a hundred top examples of the card and I never saw one that looked like the one that sold. I would give that card a 10 all day long it is heads and shoulders above any other 52 Musial. Congrats to new owner.
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I have read that 4SharpCorners has a sweetheart deal with PSA where they have thousands of cards reviewed monthly and only slabbed if they meet a certain grade threshhold. Say something on the order of $2 per card review and $4-5 for the ones that deserve to be slabbed. The ones that don't make the grade probably get sold raw by New England or tried again. At that price, it's a whole lot easier to make a profit.
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I've always been tempted to buy say 100 PSA 10s from them, crack them out and resubmit, and see how many 10s I get. I am guessing no more than 10 and probably closer to 5.

Not because their cards don't deserve 10s, but because 10s are an arbitrary grade IMO and I think there has to be some element of it makes a difference who is submitting.
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The bar codes on the cardsavers going to the graders have no information on who submitted them. I am not a #conspiracytheory guy.
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The bar codes on the cardsavers going to the graders have no information on who submitted them. I am not a #conspiracytheory guy.
If they have a stack of 1000 high grade cards from the 70s and up, they know damn well it's one of a small handful of major submitters, no?

Do my experiment, I dare you.
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And the most expensive card is a PSA 10 hand cut 1985 box bottom? hmmm...
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Did anyone else notice the uniform in the lower lefthand corner of the cards are slightly different? One shows a little "white" below the red band, the other shows no "white." Pictures cropped differently on the plate?
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Did anyone else notice the uniform in the lower lefthand corner of the cards are slightly different? One shows a little "white" below the red band, the other shows no "white." Pictures cropped differently on the plate?
Possibly ink bleed. I wouldn't think they would re-crop something in print unless it is a major flaw.
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The owner of my local card shop bought like 100 sets of 1986 Topps Update. He sent psa 100 EACH of the Canseco, Bonds, and Bo Jacksons. Mind you, these cards were all in a sealed set until the moment he sent them. Not one card received a PSA 10. Now tell me how a 60 year old card, which for about 30 of those years didn't have much financial value at all, can be pulled out of a pack of gum by some kid, stored god knows how, and remain a 10. I'm not sure, but I don't think they had nice holders for those cards in the 50's and 60's. It's truly amazing. Having have said all that, I just don't see how that card is worth 5-figures more than Peter's 7 (yes, I saw the right border). It is truly insane.
I wondered/asked that same question back in 2016 when I joined the site. I wondered then, not thinking anything fishy was going on, how someone preserved a card/cards for all those years to receive some of the grades they got?
Some answered, which is likely true as well, that those were likely placed in books and the like and long forgotten about.

I recently tried to join a FaceBook card site and the one question I was asked before I was granted admission was, "Who do you think is better, PSA or SGC"?
I answered, I thought SGC was more accurate/harsher/consistent when it came to grading, and I haven't heard a word nor been excepted since.
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WOW. Went for $28,100.
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Mine doesn't look so bad in comparison for $280.... haha
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Sheesh.
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I can't believe there are people that damn naive out there still. This sh!t truly makes me sick to my stomach.
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I can't believe there are people that damn naive out there still. This sh!t truly makes me sick to my stomach.
+1...I'd have used a different word than "naive" myself!!!!
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I was being nice. Not normal for me I know
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I was being nice. Not normal for me I know
I guess this is the part of the show where guys take snide online pot shots at how another man spends his hard-earned money, as if what they would choose to spend that man's money on is so much— somehow— better.

I'm certainly the type of collector who would prefer to pay a premium for a centered 4 with eye appeal over whatever a 60/40 Gem Mt 10 would cost— but I also think it's poor form to take time from my day to rain on someone's parade if they bought something I wouldn't. End of the day it's another fellow collector/card enthusiast and rather than insulting him we should hope the gentleman is happy with his new card.

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I guess this is the part of the show where guys take snide online pot shots at how another man spends his hard-earned money, as if what they would choose to spend that man's money on is so much— somehow— better.

I'm certainly the type of collector who would prefer to pay a premium for a centered 4 over whatever a Gem Mt 10 would cost— but I also think it's a bad look to take time from my day to rain on someone's parade if they bought something I wouldn't. End of the day it's another fellow collector and I hope the guy is happy with his card.
i don't care how much and how you earned your hard earned money ...spending 28K on a card like that is just plain stupid! And I'll say it again and again and again!
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