1952 Bowman Stan Musial PSA 10 on eBay :o

[japhi]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Bad week for the buyer. A 25K or whatever card he bought exposed as altered, and now his name is outed. What next?

UFFDAH has a pretty incredible collection, all high grade and I suspect lots bought from PWCC. He posts pickups on the CU boards regularioy.

He has the means to go after PWCC. They coached him to buy this card that was scanned twice and sold twice by them in a period of 7 months, they had to know the card was altered. I hope he goes beyond just a refund, and that the instinct isn’t just to protect his investments.

My guess is folks that have large investments will lay low and work refunds, and these cards will stay in the hobby. I hope someone in the hobby pulls a William Koch and goes public to help clean up the hobby:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/billion...nterfeit-wine/

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by japhi

UFFDAH has a pretty incredible collection, all high grade and I suspect lots bought from PWCC. He posts pickups on the CU boards regularioy.

He has the means to go after PWCC. They coached him to buy this card that was scanned twice and sold twice by them in a period of 7 months, they had to know the card was altered. I hope he goes beyond just a refund, and that the instinct isn’t just to protect his investments.

My guess is folks that have large investments will lay low and work refunds, and these cards will stay in the hobby. I hope someone in the hobby pulls a William Koch and goes public to help clean up the hobby:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/billion...nterfeit-wine/

Guys like him are in a position to make a difference here. Presumably this will smash the level of trust he articulated before and he will look closely at his other purchases. As will other guys who have bought all this high end and stickered stuff over the years, at least some of which likely was bad.

[swarmee]

Yeah, Nats Turner should also be inspecting his collection. UFFDAH's response on blowout to this card being altered seemed completely devoid of emotion. The exact opposite of his thrill in purchasing the card.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Yeah, Nats Turner should also be inspecting his collection. UFFDAH's response on blowout to this card being altered seemed completely devoid of emotion. The exact opposite of his thrill in purchasing the card.

I suspect there are lots of high end guys in addition to Nat that have bought very heavily out of PWCC.

[Scott L.]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Yeah, Nats Turner should also be inspecting his collection. UFFDAH's response on blowout to this card being altered seemed completely devoid of emotion. The exact opposite of his thrill in purchasing the card.

That struck me as well.

[Scott L.]

I feel really bad for the guy. His genuine joy for owning the card poured through in his posts. One of the worst feelings in life is to really trust someone and have them abuse that trust.

[japhi]

He is a successful guy, he is not going to lose his mind on a message board over a card. He knows he can get recourse.

The concern is his collection is full of these top grade cards, and he is a buyer at almost any price. Brent probably saw him as a mark. One thing to buy cards that were alterted, quite another to be coached into buying altered cards. How many altered Moser cards did Brent walk him into? It would be personal for me.

I feel for the guy, followed his posts in CU he seems like a solid guy that loves the hobby. I hope he shares, at some point, his thoughts on all of this. We need a heavy hitter to step up and shine some light on this.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by japhi

He is a successful guy, he is not going to lose his mind on a message board over a card. He knows he can get recourse.

The concern is his collection is full of these top grade cards, and he is a buyer at almost any price. Brent probably saw him as a mark. One thing to buy cards that were alterted, quite another to be coached into buying altered cards. How many altered Moser cards did Brent walk him into? It would be personal for me.

I feel for the guy, followed his posts in CU he seems like a solid guy that loves the hobby. I hope he shares, at some point, his thoughts on all of this. We need a heavy hitter to step up and shine some light on this.

He said, I think, that he also discussed how high to bid with Brent. Ugh.

My own cynical prior comment:
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Maybe it's just me, but if I'm looking for an opinion on what to pay for a card, I am likely to ask someone other than the seller.
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Stuff trumps all in this fraud and ostrich hobby.

[swarmee]

Sure is easy to shill once you've told the auctioneer your max bid.

[bobbyw8469]

All these cards that are altered. It's sickening.

[japhi]

Ya thats crazy, and in this case Brent walked him into a card he must know was altered. How many other Moser cards did Brent coach him to buy? How many other big buyers was Brent coaching? Playing these guys against eachother and making a fortune.

The whole thing is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

He said, I think, that he also discussed how high to bid with Brent. Ugh.

My own cynical prior comment:
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Maybe it's just me, but if I'm looking for an opinion on what to pay for a card, I am likely to ask someone other than the seller.
__________________
Stuff trumps all in this fraud and ostrich hobby.

[chalupacollects]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

He said, I think, that he also discussed how high to bid with Brent. Ugh.

My own cynical prior comment:
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Maybe it's just me, but if I'm looking for an opinion on what to pay for a card, I am likely to ask someone other than the seller.
__________________
Stuff trumps all in this fraud and ostrich hobby.

Hopefully he saved the emails or texts....