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Old 08-18-2018, 07:43 AM
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Default Sports Service/Team issues

More team issues:

Jack believes this to be from 1965 - I from 1960:
http://www.net54baseball.com/attachm...1&d=1534599673

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1968 - Jack:
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Default 1966 Sealed team photo pack

I know there are a lot of questions about the 1966-1971 color issues - while I can't resolve them all, I believe I can shed some light.
This is a sealed 1966 team set
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Default 1970 - 4x5

1970 4x5 set
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Default 1971 team set

I have not seen this one around. It is similar to what PSA identifies as a 1971 set, but the coloring is much whiter. This is sealed in the original bag.
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Default 1970? 1971?

PSA identifies this as 1971 - It could be or possibly 1970. This is a sealed pack with no year identifier on the back.
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Default Probable 1970 auto card

This is likely a 1970 autograph card
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Default Familiar images - unidentified

These have slightly different textural , size or cropping differences - I presume them to be various appearance or team issues (except the postcard - no idea there!)
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Awesome resource Howard. I recall asking before but we didn't finish the discussion: your sense of why PSA will authenticate/label some of these but not others? Is it just a question of what they can know for sure, and if they are unsure about provenance then the default is to not be willing to slab at all and therefore not include in the master list?
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Awesome resource Howard. I recall asking before but we didn't finish the discussion: your sense of why PSA will authenticate/label some of these but not others? Is it just a question of what they can know for sure, and if they are unsure about provenance then the default is to not be willing to slab at all and therefore not include in the master list?
There is no obvious rhyme or reason why they do what they do. They claim to only grade items that are listed in a major price guide (Becket or Standard Catalog). How they "think" they can tell the difference between 66-67-68 autograph cards - I don't know - I can't (They don't even have a 1966 graded - or did they mislabel another year?). The fact that they do accept some but do not accept or recognize ALL of the Jay publishing and team issues as identified above - I don't know. Just requested they grade the '56 - they refused. They grade some variations and stupid things like the mini cutouts from the Transogram box, but don't grade other legitimate variations like the 180 back Salada or the wide border 69 Nabisco flakes.
Read the forums for a little while and you will see the general consensus on consistency of their qualitative grading as well. I've gotten stuff back from them and just shake my head sometimes - items that are solid nrmt - come back with a 4-5 grade.
For selling - they are a necessary "evil". For collecting they are a choice - I chose to work on a registry set because I got bored with so little to look for. I am not looking to get 100% complete on it. I have complete bazooka boxes from every year (but 1960) - I don't care about the panels (except 71 numbered) or singles. I will not even send in my 68 or 71 boxes as PSA will bend a flap to fit into their holder!!
Why they do what they do? Because people like me keep sending them money to do it
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There is no obvious rhyme or reason why they do what they do. They claim to only grade items that are listed in a major price guide (Becket or Standard Catalog). How they "think" they can tell the difference between 66-67-68 autograph cards - I don't know - I can't (They don't even have a 1966 graded - or did they mislabel another year?). The fact that they do accept some but do not accept or recognize ALL of the Jay publishing and team issues as identified above - I don't know. Just requested they grade the '56 - they refused. They grade some variations and stupid things like the mini cutouts from the Transogram box, but don't grade other legitimate variations like the 180 back Salada or the wide border 69 Nabisco flakes.
Read the forums for a little while and you will see the general consensus on consistency of their qualitative grading as well. I've gotten stuff back from them and just shake my head sometimes - items that are solid nrmt - come back with a 4-5 grade.
For selling - they are a necessary "evil". For collecting they are a choice - I chose to work on a registry set because I got bored with so little to look for. I am not looking to get 100% complete on it. I have complete bazooka boxes from every year (but 1960) - I don't care about the panels (except 71 numbered) or singles. I will not even send in my 68 or 71 boxes as PSA will bend a flap to fit into their holder!!
Why they do what they do? Because people like me keep sending them money to do it

Thanks for all the great info Howard. It is a little confusing between the Jay Photos and team issued B&Ws.


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Thanks for all the great info Howard. It is a little confusing between the Jay Photos and team issued B&Ws.
The Jay Publishing from 1955-1957 just say "Pirates". From 1959-1965 The Jays say "Pittsburgh Pirates". The Sports Service/Team issues started in 1960 or 1961 and only say "Pirates" - that's the easiest way to tell the difference between the 2 - narrowing down the year - that took a LONG time!
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These have slightly different textural , size or cropping differences - I presume them to be various appearance or team issues (except the postcard - no idea there!)
Howard,

Love the team issue and Jays! Please post again when you get them back from PSA. I think these are under appreciated, but I really like them.

Is the postcard a Jim Rowe? The writing on the back looks similar to the one’s I have.
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PSA identifies this as 1971 - It could be or possibly 1970. This is a sealed pack with no year identifier on the back.

I think that is a 1971 issue. I purchased series A and B individually in sealed packs. I later purchased the undated Blue card from a collector who was breaking up a complete set. His set did not have the Series A and B checklists. He claimed to be the original owner and that they were purchased as a complete set without the checklists.
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1971 Pirates Team photo...





1971 World Series ticket stub (Roberto homers in the top of the 4th off Cuellar)...


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If I may add another cool, wildly miscut card to your tally...

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Nice Darren! Was that on eBay recently? There was a miscut that I had been watching. Didn't pull the trigger, then it was gone. Anyway, great card.

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1960 Pittsburgh Pirates placemat...





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1965 Pirates placemat (Harmony Milk)...


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1965 Pirates placemat (Harmony Milk)...


i have a couple of obscure Harmony Milk items, but not sure that I have that one!!
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It's funny seeing "Manuel Mota" on there. In my entire life I've never heard him called anything other than Manny Mota, so it just made me chuckle.
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I've seen pictures of Bill Mazeroski's 1960 World Series HR countless times and I've always wondered if Roberto was in the large group waiting for Maz to cross home plate. However, I had never really made an attempt to identify Clemente until I purchased this next item. With a little bit of research I've determined that, sure enough...he's there! He's the third player from the left (without his ball cap). Note the man behind him in the white shirt with his hands on Roberto's back.


1961 Pittsburgh Pirates pocket schedule...








The following photos were found online and helped me positively ID Roberto...

Photo shows Maz approaching home with Dick Schofield (# 11) and Hal Smith (# 5) waiting at home, with Roberto just to the right. Note the man/boy in the white shirt standing directly behing Clemente with his hands on Roberto's back.



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1970s J. D. McCarthy...

Man, that is a cool looking McCarthy postcard. I think I’ve seen two varieties of these postcards of Roberto. Do you know how many McCarthy postcards there are of Clemente, or is it just the two?
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Man, that is a cool looking McCarthy postcard. I think I’ve seen two varieties of these postcards of Roberto. Do you know how many McCarthy postcards there are of Clemente, or is it just the two?
I've only seen 2 versions, the other predates this one.
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1970 Roberto Clemente Night program...


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1969 Topps Decal...




One of my favorite Topps insert sets from the 60s. I remember trading for these in junior high. On one occasion, a group of us were in the library trading cards and one kid threw a dozen or so of these on the table and asked "Anybody want this junk?". Hands were flying, but I was able to grab Reggie Jackson among others.

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1973 TEAM Magazine...




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1971 Boston Globe Insert Page...tough issue to find.


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1973 TEAM Magazine...




Also, there are at least 3 McCarthy postcards
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1958-61 Jay Publishing...





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ca. 1960s Forbes Field postcard (Clemente in RF)...







ca. 1960s Pittsburgh Fold-Out postcard...




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1973 Benefit concert program...


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1973 Benefit Concert album (companion piece to the previous items). I think Howard might have posted this one earlier, but I recently picked one up.




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Shortly after I purchased yesterday's item, I found this next one at the old Ft. Washington show.


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Lol...well, the price was right
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1973 Thank You card signed by Vera on the back (w/ original mailing envelope)...






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I scrolled through all 70 of the pages of this thread. I did not see one of these pins posted. I purchased two Clemente pinbacks the other night. My suspicion that one was home made unfortunately was confirmed on the memorabilia side. This one looks right to me. However I was posting it here to determine if anyone has seen another of these pins. Thanks!
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I scrolled through all 70 of the pages of this thread. I did not see one of these pins posted. I purchased two Clemente pinbacks the other night. My suspicion that one was home made unfortunately was confirmed on the memorabilia side. This one looks right to me. However I was posting it here to determine if anyone has seen another of these pins. Thanks!
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Thanks Howard, it looks like I gambled and lost on these. I appreciate the feedback.
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1971 Pirates Game used bats Collection 18/18 (100%)
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Any idea how I could get Vera Clemente autograph through the mail???


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Sorry about the pins Mike, hope you aren't out too much. If you bought them off of eBay, you can probably get a refund. There are a lot of fantasy pins of Roberto out there. They really didn't issue a lot of pins of him during his playing days.


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I don't go to many shows these days. But back when there were small card shows every weekend, a seller had a box full of magazines. I found these and they look like they were right off the newsstand.


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