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Old 07-11-2018, 10:00 PM
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Hey Todd
You have done a yeoman's job on the subject. The least I can try to do is help a little since I collect vintage hobby periodicals. letters etc... (as many others do). I believe David K (hey David) has the ACC supplements and maybe one I don't have too. I can check and think I have the ACC supplements for '40, '41, '42 and '44. I also dug up a an official looking Checklists from Card Collectors Bulletin circa 1942. It's a small, brown crumbling manual. I need to look through it some more but at least I found definitively where the Hustler T206 mistake started. I won't divert this thread and leave it for another.
But I will check any of those supplements if need be and also the rest of these checklists in the booklet....I just need some more time to go over it adn some other stuff....
ps...it does seem Barker was winging it a bit?


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Wow, thanks Leon. There’s a lot to unpack there, but I do see where Buck Barker notes the seven photo changes, even though he incorrectly states they represent different photos of the same player.

He should not feel bad about not wandering into the F&B store as a four year-old in the Fall of 1915, as the cards would not have been there at that time anyway. I feel a bit sad he regrets that his parents found him–must have been a tough childhood

Curiously, Barker reports that as of 1971, the M101-4 and M101-5 cards had no set identification and were blank-backed. He states that these were not checklisted until Orem did so in the 1950s. He does quote an ad from TSN in October 1916, but stumbles in his logic, for he says this stood as “proof” that m101-5 was issued in 1916– the numbers of the players available in the ad match up with the same numbers from m101-5--yet elsewhere he claims that m101-5 was issued in 1915 and m101-4 the following year. In any event, I still find it odd that the two Mendelsohn-issued cards with advertising that are now most commonly found–Sporting New and Famous & Barr, were either unknown or just discovered as of 1971, while some of the others had been known for more than decade (three decades in the case of Standard Biscuit).

Barker says it’s a “funny thing” that Sporting News ignored the Federal League but used photos of players in their Fed uniforms, many of whom he identifies. What I find “funny” (in the peculiar sense) is that if Barker would have been paying attention, he would have noticed that several of these players were captioned with teams they did not join until 1916–after the Fed league folded and the reason why there were no Fed players–and that therefore there was no set from 1915 as he had claimed.

There are a couple more nuggets in this article, and I appreciate your finding and posting it.
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ps...it does seem Barker was winging it a bit?
I probably shouldn't be too harsh on 'Ol Buck, who gave so much to the hobby. Reporting new findings can be exciting, but is oftentimes the product of incomplete information and inaccurate assumptions. At least we know he was passionate in his collecting:
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Up in the air on Olaf too. This little picture (below) is Olaf from Wiki...

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Good to know I'm not alone on this ID. Brian, the Strunk card in question is the m101-5, shown here on the left and next to the m101-4 corrected photo. Many believe it to depict Olaf Henriksen, but I am not yet fully convinced. I have no alternatives, but something just looks a skosh off to me.
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The erroneous Strunk looks a lot like Dutch Leonard, Red Sox LHP, to me.
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The erroneous Strunk looks a lot like Dutch Leonard, Red Sox LHP, to me.
Here's a couple of Dutch's Wikipedia photos...what do you folks think?

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Here's Dutch's Wikipedia photo...what do you folks think?
Yes, looks like Leonard to me.
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Another photo of the Dutch man.

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