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Guess we can talk about Harold Baines here now.
Kind of fitting he gets in along with Lee Smith since January will likely bring two other players prominently known for being a designated hitter and reliever. |
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![]() Wow! Uh, No! He won the Triple Crown and led the Red Sox to their first pennant in 21 years. Led the league in the following categories: R-112; H-189; HR-44(tied); RBI- 121; BA- .326; OBP- .418; SLG- .622; OPS- 1.040; OPS+- 193; TB- 360; WAR- 12.5 His Sept/Oct slash was .417/.504/.760 Boston lost WS in 7, but Yaz's line was 24AB-10H-3HR-5RIBI .400/.500/.840 Definitely Not an Accumulator's type year. He hit .301 the following year leading the league and also leading with 119 walks. =
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When he was playing, I would say Brett Favre was the best quarterback active. It could be reasonably argued there were better on the field players, but Favre played every game and even an average quarterback in the game is worth more than Johnny Unitas or Dan Marino on the sideline. Plus, he was a great quarterback anyway.
So longevity and games played is itself a desirable quality to the team. Though that's not to be confused with me saying that longevity and "accumulation" make a player a HOFer. I certainly don't think Harold Baines is a HOFer, no matter how many years and games he played. Last edited by drcy; 12-11-2018 at 02:08 PM. |
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Not fair to Biggio to call him an accumulator or compare him to DH Baines without a positional adjustment.
Not much below the average 2b peak or career in the HOF: 65.5 career WAR / 41.8 7yr-peak WAR / 53.7 JAWS Average HOF 2B (out of 20): 69.5 career WAR / 44.5 7yr-peak WAR / 57.0 JAWS
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IMO, Comparing longevity in Football and Baseball is like...well... Comparing Apples and Zagnut Bars. ![]() =
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Baines 121 Pete Rose 118 Beltre 116 Jeter 115 Yount 115 Biggio 112 Sam Rice 112 Ripken 112 Frisch 110 Brock 109 Ichiro 107 Vizquel 82 |
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If Molitor is a compiler, so was Pete Rose. Yaz? I can see it, but for a time, he was probably the best player in the game. The problem is that the second half of his career wasn't exceptional. But if we're talking a combination of both offense and defense, in his prime, he was fantastic.
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Yount's inarguably one of the top five shortstops to ever play the game. And before he hurt his shoulder, he was one of the top two or three players in baseball. Shortstops just didn't hit for that kind of power, and play incredible defense, at the same time. You had guys like Ernie Banks who could crush the ball, and was pretty good with the glove, but he couldn't do all the things Yount could. Wagner is the Gold standard. But after that, Yount's not far behind anyone else who's ever played the position.
There's NO comparison between Baines and Yount. None. Baines, in 22 seasons (20 full ones) finished 9th and 10th in the MVP. Yount was an MVP at short and center field, two of the three toughest defensive positions in baseball. Baines by no stretch of the imagination should be a Hall of Famer, and that he is in now further waters down what has become a joke. And nowhere have I ever said that Ryan Braun was innocent. He screwed up, broke the rules, and deserved to be suspended. The narrative I've always pushed was that he didn't need PEDs to be a great player, and that he didn't take a PED. He took a banned substance to heal an injury. Dumb, and illegal, per baseball's rules, but not the same thing as a performance enhancer. Before he had the nerve damage in his hand, he was one of the very best hitters in baseball. After his positive test, and with baseball testing him/watching him under a microscope, he put up a season nearly as good as his 2011 MVP one. Led the league NL in home runs, and with a .987 OPS, only 7 points lower than the prior season.
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Yaz had two great years, 67 and 70. Other than those years and a pretty good year in 69 though his BA went way down, the first half of his career wasn't so spectacular either.
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