Christopher Morales Forensic Investigator

[thetruthisoutthere]

It was recently discussed "Why do autograph items authenticated by Christopher Morales sell for a lot less than those certed by other authenticators?"

Let's discuss using common sense and logic.

Proponents of Christopher Morales blame it on "Morales bashing." True or false?

Mr. Morales calls himself (as per his website) a "Forensic Investigator." That title leads me to believe that he spends more time scrutinizing an autograph (or set of autographs) than other authenticators who aren't "Forensic Investigators." It is my belief also, that based on his title of "Forensic Investigator," that he, Mr. Morales, should also be held under more scrutiny based on his title of "Forensic Investigator."

Let's first examine the below Babe Ruth/Lou Gehrig dual-signed autograph bat that is presently up for auction on the Coach's Corner Auction site.

http://www.myccsa.com/Lot.aspx?LotID=266364

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During the last 10-11 years I can't remember any auction house, except Coach's Corner, that has auctioned off a Ruth/Gehrig dual-signed bat and they've listed numerous Ruth/Gehrig signed bats. Super rare item. The bidding so far on the above item is at $263.00. Is "Morales bashing" keeping the bidding down?

If I thought for one minute that the above Ruth/Gehrig dual-signed bat was authentic in my opinion, I'd make sure that I won that auction. I'd tear up the Morales COA and have it authenticated by two other authenticators and then I'd consign it to a major auction house and make a tidy profit.

I'm certain there are a ton of collectors, who as much as they may despise Coach's Corner, look for deals on there for a Gehrig, Ruth, Mathewson, Cobb, etc., signed item. Has anyone here ever found a "deal" on Coach's Corner that they eventually consigned to a major auction house?

If you owned a genuine Ruth/Gehrig signed bat, would you consign it to Coach's Corner?

If proponents of Mr. Morales really believe that the memorabilia he authenticates is truly genuine, then why aren't they bidding and buying the items that he's authenticated that are listed on the Coach's Corner auction site? I've seen numerous Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig signed jersey items that sold for under $400.00. Have proponents of Mr. Morales ever bid and won those auctions and then consigned them to a major house? If those items were authentic, you could have an easy life buying that stuff cheap and then consigning to a major auction house. But, the truth is, you never see those items consigned to a major auction auction after being sold at Coach's Corner.

Let's examine the below Christy Mathewson signed baseball that is authenticated by Mr. Morales.

http://www.myccsa.com/Lot.aspx?LotID=266367

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Christy Mathewson passed away at the young age of 45 in Oct. 1925. Anything signed by Christy Mathewson sells for big money. His signature is extremely rare. Mr. Morales has authenticated quite a few (relatively speaking) Christy Mathewson signed baseballs that Coach's Corner has auctioned off. The bidding on the above baseball is presently at $210.00.

Is "Morales bashing" keeping the bidding low? Definitely not. I know three people, who if they thought that the above Christy Mathewson was authentic, would make every effort to make sure they won that auction. They would get it certed by two authenticators and they would consign it to a major auction house. And they wouldn't care that it came from Coach's Corner; all they would see are dollar signs.

Are any supporters of Mr. Morales bidding on any of the Morales certed memorabilia on Coach's Corner this month?

Let's examine the below Lou Gehrig signed gray flannel jersey certed by "Forensic Investigator" Christopher Morales. Over the past two years Coach's Corner has auctioned off at least one dozen of these.

http://www.myccsa.com/Lot.aspx?LotID=264094

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The present bid is at $282.00. Is "Morales bashing" keeping the bidding low? Of the dozen or so sold at Coach's Corner over the past two years, why is it that none of them have ever surfaced at a major auction house? Why is the average final bid price on those dozen or so items approximately $400.00? Why aren't collectors of genuine Lou Gehrig memorabilia getting into a bidding war and driving the price up on pieces like this? Even the "shill bidding" that is allowed on the Coach's Corner auction site doesn't drive the price up on pieces like the above.

Why aren't supporters of Mr. Morales posting memorabilia authenticated by Mr. Morales to support their claims of "Morales bashing?"

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

If I thought for one minute that the above Ruth/Gehrig dual-signed bat was authentic in my opinion, I'd make sure that I won that auction. I'd tear up the Morales COA and have it authenticated by two other authenticators and then I'd consign it to a major auction house and make a tidy profit.

Spot on. What would stop Richard Simon from buying it up for pennies on the dollar and reselling with his own authentication for a massive profit? He could make a million bucks a year just flipping items from Coaches' Corner.

Why isn't the Heritage Consignment director buying it all up and getting it certed by PSA and making a mint?

[danc]

Everyone would make a living buying from Coach's and consigning to REA if it was all that simple.

Last month they sold a 1925 New York Giants signed team mini-bat that sold for $551 with Morales LOA.

What could the consignor get for this if it was sent to Robert Edwards?

$30,000? $40,000? $50,000? Not a bad payday for doing nothing.

Coach's did state the value of this at "priceless".

We'll see how much the next one brings. :-)

DanC

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by danc

Coach's did state the value of this at "priceless".

I think they've confused "priceless" with "valueless."

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by danc

Everyone would make a living buying from Coach's and consigning to REA if it was all that simple.

Last month they sold a 1925 New York Giants signed team mini-bat that sold for $551 with Morales LOA.

What could the consignor get for this if it was sent to Robert Edwards?

$30,000? $40,000? $50,000? Not a bad payday for doing nothing.

Coach's did state the value of this at "priceless".

We'll see how much the next one brings. :-)

DanC

And the next one, and the next one, and the next one....

Maybe Morales supporters will purchase the below Morales certed item presently listed on the Coach's Corner Auction site and prove to us that it is authentic:

http://www.myccsa.com/Lot.aspx?LotID=263432

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A 1932 Yankees team-signed baseball. Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Bill Dickey, etc. Certed by Chris Morales, Forensic Investigator. Bidding is up to $386.00. A bargain so far. Are supporters and proponents of Chris Morales, Forensic Investigator, bidding on this ball? After they win it, will they consign it to REA, Heritage or Hunt for a big pay day?

[Big Dave]

Stop all you Morales bashers......

Personally, I would love to find a good item in their auctions, and flip it. Seems the good items go for a decent price when these show up, and you can't make anything.

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

And the next one, and the next one, and the next one....

Maybe Morales supporters will purchase the below Morales certed item presently listed on the Coach's Corner Auction site and prove to us that it is authentic:

http://www.myccsa.com/Lot.aspx?LotID=263432

This ball is screaming, "All these signatures were signed by the same hand!"

[perezfan]

The Ruth/Gehrig personalized/signed Bat at the top of this thread is one of their better forgeries. This one could have fooled me, if I saw it in a reputable venue. Bet the "winning" bidder (and I put winning in quotes) holds on to it for a while and then flips it.

The rest are pretty obvious fakes, but someone really did their homework on the Bat.

[toyman55]

Im confused here so excuse me if I am wrong but are you all saying that morales will authenticate anything and is putting out fakes or/ is he good at what he does.
please clarify.

[jgmp123]

authenticates fake signatures.