T206 Shaq shaughnessy

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by G1911

Take a look at the bottom left corner and the black frame line. Is this a scanner 'correction' or a real printing defect? Haven't seen a broken border Shag before, would be interesting if there was a recurring defect there.

There are a couple of different recurring broken border flaws found on Shaughnessy but I've never seen that one before if it is a flaw and not the scan.

There's also a recurring flaw with part of the bottom of team caption missing. The one on the left also has one of the recurring border breaks.

Shaughnessy team print flaw.jpg

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Pat R

There are a couple of different recurring broken border flaws found on Shaughnessy but I've never seen that one before if it is a flaw and not the scan.

There's also a recurring flaw with part of the bottom of team caption missing. The one on the left also has one of the recurring border breaks.

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Thank you Pat, I did not know about the team caption intrusion on Shag.

I'm not aware of any T206 subject that comes like the SGC 7 from jonvancouver if that is indeed not a scanner thing. Lots of small border breaks but that's an unusual 'wave' type of defect. I am no expert on T206, but there are not many T cards with that type of border defect in the non-sport and pugilist realms.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by G1911

Thank you Pat, I did not know about the team caption intrusion on Shag.

I'm not aware of any T206 subject that comes like the SGC 7 from jonvancouver if that is indeed not a scanner thing. Lots of small border breaks but that's an unusual 'wave' type of defect. I am no expert on T206, but there are not many T cards with that type of border defect in the non-sport and pugilist realms.

There are a few different recurring T206's "wave" type border defects. Steve says that they occur when they attempted to fix a border break.

I actually found one similar to the SGC 7 in one of my folders so it is a defect

Shaughnessy match.jpg


it was probably an attempt to fix this defect

Shaughnessy border break.jpg

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Pat R

There are a few different recurring T206's "wave" type border defects. Steve says that they occur when they attempted to fix a border break.

I actually found one similar to the SGC 7 in one of my folders so it is a defect

it was probably an attempt to fix this defect

That is awesome, a new variant indeed confirmed then. Thank you Pat.

Not to digress too far, but most of the non-baseball border variations work in a different way. This postulation of the wavy fix makes perfect sense to me, I just want to note the different ways these seem to have happened and been fixed. While all the cards were produced by the same associated monopoly groups in the same time, T206 had longer print periods of course. I do hope that one day these subtle clues may all help us put together specific set groupings with shared characteristics that indicate X facility or Y facilities methods.

On most of the non-baseball sets the border defects also show evidence of being 'patched', but in a different way. T218-3 Frank Klaus here attached as an illustrative example, from early 1911. I infer this series was probably a Brett contract, where 1911 T206's probably were not (I think you are on to something with the multiple sub-companies and facilities for T206 theory). Klaus comes several ways, with the top border totally normal, the top border having several small gaps in it (multiple variations here, some with 4, some with 2, this one with 5, etc.), and some with the top border complete but what seems to be the correction made here. Instead of a wavy line, it's patched with vertical marks. Difficult to see without magnification or a very close look, but there are several light vertical marks filling in the gaps. Note that the gaps are in different places than the gap card shown in some parts; there are numerous small differences in where the gaps are, I think I'd need like 100 Klaus' in hand to show everything. This same thing happens at the bottom of the Klaus card as well, with 2 gaps that appear 'filled in'. Klaus is only notable in the extreme amount of different versions; I'm just using this one as an example of a broader pattern I have seen in non-sport and pugilist cards.

The wavy fix is not something I have observed often with the other T cards by the same folks. They exist, but not nearly as many of them.

EDIT: Net54 does not allow high quality images and compresses photos to about ~200kb, but I hope this comes through well enough to convey the difference and message