Buck Leonard?

[Matt]

RPPC in the current Hake's auction.


Doesn't look like it to me; Thoughts?

[Anthony S.]

First and foremost, the ears are wrong. Buck's ears stuck out, not exaggeratedly so, but in a much more pronounced fashion than the fellow in that postcard. The postcard is shot from straight on, and you can barely even make out his left ear (ie his right ear, but left as you look at the photo). In the photo below you can see how much more Buck's ear stuck out (even in a photo taken slightly from the right).

[ghostmarcelle]

But it's not Buck Leonard

[bcbgcbrcb]

This postcard was sold in a major auction several years ago as Buck Leonard but is not him.

[Kenny Cole]

I may be mistaken, but I believe it was Lelands the last time around. It wasn't Leonard then, isn't Leonard now.

Kenny Cole

[bcbgcbrcb]

You got it, Kenny.

[Hake's Auctions]

We want to accurately identify every item we sell. Thoughts on who this is so we can update our online description and correctly identify for our customers?
Any help would be greatly appreciated. We too were using the previous auction house info.

[Old Hoss]

Is there a reason that people have already bid on items in the Hake's auction? I just looked through their rules, and it looks like there is no need to place marker bids.

Am I mistaken?

Thanks,
Charles

[jerseygary]

I don't want to sound mean, but how the heck can anyone mistake that guy for Buck Leonard? And it's been in 2 auctions listed as such? Wow. Maybe it will be relisted as Josh Gibson.

[bcbgcbrcb]

Glad to see the stand-up job by Hake's to come forward and look to make the necessary correction. I wish that I could be of more help in identifying the player, maybe one of our resident Negro League experts will have an idea.

[oldjudge]

It's Alexander Cartwright

[Leon]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

It's Alexander Cartwright

Which auction do you have him consigned in?

[oldjudge]

LOL-not yours

[Runscott]

I wanted to say this in the 'other' thread, but felt like it might de-rail things.

We were given eyeballs for a reason - it actually helps us survive. I can look through a pile of pictures and pick out the ones who look like people I know or recognize. Yes, some are questionable, but I can almost always tell you if a picture is NOT someone. I don't begin such an exercise by first looking at a long list of reasons why this person is or isn't someone, formulating my opinion by 'provenance' prior to looking at the image.

The 2nd image is Buck Leonard - I'm told that and I believe it. So I look at the first image and because I'm human and have working eyeballs, I can tell that the first image is NOT him. Even if he were wearing a fake mustache and a clown nose, I could tell it wasn't him.

Now, if the first image had looked like the second image, I would THEN look at the details (such as ears pointing in whatever directions), and decide 'No', it isn't him - even though it looks like him, the details are wrong.

Finally, if it still looks like him, I would then look at the provenance - for instance, the back of the photo might say that it is 'Joseph Doe' who was a jazz musician in Paris, and the photo comes from the estate of a French family. Obviously, the provenance is telling me that these two guys just happen to look a helluva lot alike, but they aren't the same person.

The AJC Dag was evaluated backwards. No one ever got around to using their eyeballs.

[oldjudge]

Finally, a voice of reason. Scott-I think this would have been a good addition to the dag thread.

[kcohen]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

It's Alexander Cartwright

Actually, I think it is Ben Cartwright.