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Old 11-07-2019, 10:29 PM
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Default The 'Modern Era' Ballot: Who You Got?

The players listed on the ballot and their WAR:

Lou Whitaker...………………………………………..75.1
Dwight Evans...………………………………………..67.1
Tommy John...………………………………………….62.1
Ted Simmons...………………………………………..50.3
Dale Murphy...………………………………………….46.5
Thurman Munson...………………………………….46.1
Don Mattingly...……………………………………….42.4
Dave Parker...………………………………………….40.1
Steve Garvey...………………………………………..38.1

elected last year:
Baines...…………………………………………………….38.7

and the three Cubans who, IMO, should already be in:

Luis Tiant…………………………………………………….65.6
Minnie Minoso…………………………………………….50.5
Tony Oliva...……………………………………………...43.1

I realize that WAR is not the only measurement used, but it's a convenient starting place (the list had already been put together - so lazy me is just using their 'trade craft')

The ESPN writer had Ted Simmons as the only one with an excellent chance of getting in, but also made comment on Harold Baines.
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Old 11-07-2019, 10:46 PM
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All of these guys are in the Hall Of Good. With the people they have put in recently most if not all might go in eventually.
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Old 11-08-2019, 01:56 AM
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Marvin Miller is on the ballot as well and his exclusion to this point is a complete joke. The pettiness of executives who sat on the various incarnations of these committees is the only thing that has kept Miller out all these years. His contributions to the game are undeniable and IMHO more significant than those of Bud Selig or Bowie Kuhn. It's a shame he didn't live to see his induction but it's time the Hall erased this black mark on its voting history and elect him. Aside from that, Whitaker and Simmons have the "steam" heading into this election and I don't feel the HOF is significantly lessened with their inclusions.

Edited to add, I would've liked to see some new blood on this ballot. All but 2 of these guys have been examined ad nauseum on past veterans committees and fell short, so unless they are specifically trying to shoehorn a couple of these players in, it's probably time to look more closely at players like Bobby Grich, and a man I was definitely hoping to see get his shot this year, Al Oliver.

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Old 11-08-2019, 09:51 AM
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I think Munson should be a lock for sure. His career untimely cut short shouldn’t effect his induction. Yankee Captain, ROY, MVP, 7 AS, 3 gold gloves and 2 World Series championships in a abbreviated career. He was in route so I would put him in.
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I think Munson should be a lock for sure. His career untimely cut short shouldn’t effect his induction. Yankee Captain, ROY, MVP, 7 AS, 3 gold gloves and 2 World Series championships in a abbreviated career. He was in route so I would put him in.
Don't forget his great playoff and WS numbers. I think too many people dismiss him because they think his career was too short. Anyone thinking that the hall would be less for putting him in is just flat out wrong.
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Old 11-09-2019, 03:11 PM
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I dont think any of those players should be in the HOF

The HOF is showcase of the history of the greatest players of each era.


Joe Jackson
Pete Rose
Bonds
Arod
Schffield
Clemens

Imo all should be in 😳

Yes pete should be banned from the dugout never to return, but that dosnt erase his stats.
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I dont think any of those players should be in the HOF

The HOF is showcase of the history of the greatest players of each era.


Joe Jackson
Pete Rose
Bonds
Arod
Schffield
Clemens

Imo all should be in ��

Yes pete should be banned from the dugout never to return, but that dosnt erase his stats.

In MY opinion, as long as there are deserving players who DID NOT cheat who aren't in, those bums should NEVER get in.

But, you are entitled to your opinion...but you are, of course, wrong.

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Old 11-10-2019, 09:26 AM
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In MY opinion, as long as there are deserving players who DID NOT cheat who aren't in, those bums should NEVER get in.

But, you are entitled to your opinion...but you are, of course, wrong.

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There are many players in the HOF who cheated.

Heres the argument for bonds and the rest

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I think Munson should be a lock for sure. His career untimely cut short shouldn’t effect his induction. Yankee Captain, ROY, MVP, 7 AS, 3 gold gloves and 2 World Series championships in a abbreviated career. He was in route so I would put him in.
Munson was on the decline, when he died. Yankee Captain...who cares. Rookie of the Year, who cares.

Unfortunately, I just don't think he played long enough. He might have rebounded, but catchers don't usually drop off, and then spring back. Ultimately, I'm on the fence when it comes to him.
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There are many players in the HOF who cheated.

it's one thing to lower standards for someone like Baines or Mazeroski...it's a whole different ball game...literally, when great players STILL cheat.

barry bonds is someone who had EVERY advantage and STILL chose to cheat! He deserves NOTHING.



'There are many players in the HOF who cheated.' Doesn't mean the standards have to be lowered to let in ALL that do.


The bottom line is that it is a disservice and an insult to all those who played the game without cheating to let all those who didn't get in.


Baseball is just one area of life where standards have been lowered...I find it sickening.
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Heres the argument for bonds and the rest

https://metsmerizedonline.com/2014/0...-of-fame.html/
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