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Thanks Kyle. I hadn’t realized Spalding distributed Repro Co. pennants.

Here is a banner of mine, c.1920, measuring about 60’’.
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Last night was Hunt's Annual Super Bowl Eve football auction. Not too much in there that excited me, but it's always interesting to see what things sell for. Some Baltimore Colts pennants went for ridiculous amounts...Such as this one, which could've been had for $95 on eBay (in better condition too, just to pour a little more salt in).
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Last night was Hunt's Annual Super Bowl Eve football auction. Not too much in there that excited me, but it's always interesting to see what things sell for. Some Baltimore Colts pennants went for ridiculous amounts...Such as this one, which could've been had for $95 on eBay (in better condition too, just to pour a little more salt in).
People always seem to overpay to the auction houses.
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Equally if not more absurd...

https://huntauctions.com/live/imagev...=307&lot_qual=


And I "get" this one because of the rarity and that game's immense importance. But it still sold for a price that must've made the consignor giddy with joy...

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A couple of recent arrivals.

The 1936 Giants mini-pennant is about 9" long without the tassels. It came together with the pin. Anyone have any insights about it?
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Old 02-15-2024, 06:23 PM
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A couple of recent arrivals.

The 1936 Giants mini-pennant is about 9" long without the tassels. It came together with the pin. Anyone have any insights about it?
The pin is almost certainly 1951 or 1954. For some reason, they are very common….although not with the giant ball!
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The pin is almost certainly 1951 or 1954. For some reason, they are very common….although not with the giant ball!
Thanks Rob, but I'm pretty sure the pin is from 1936. The difference is noted by the style of the 'S' in GIANTS.

Paul Muchinsky details this in his book

I'm keen to hear thoughts on the mini pennant. I'm guessing there's no way to know the manufacturer.
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I posted the question over at VFC but I was advised to ask over here so here goes...

I purchased this pennant a few months ago. I do not know if its baseball, football, college, high school. It may not even be a sports pennant. I purchased it because I liked it.

Can anyone enlighten me what year (i know its pretty early) and what the approximate value is?

The pennant is oversized, approx 33". The felt is soft and thick and the letters seem sewn in because they are raised. It is definitely high quality.

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Thanks Rob, but I'm pretty sure the pin is from 1936. The difference is noted by the style of the 'S' in GIANTS.

Paul Muchinsky details this in his book

I'm keen to hear thoughts on the mini pennant. I'm guessing there's no way to know the manufacturer.
I had forgotten about that distinction. I have the same as yours, also with the big tin ball. Yours is 1.25", correct? I also have the 1951/54 pin in both 1.25" and 1.75."

As far as the pennant manufacturer, I can't help you.
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I had forgotten about that distinction. I have the same as yours, also with the big tin ball. Yours is 1.25", correct? I also have the 1951/54 pin in both 1.25" and 1.75."

As far as the pennant manufacturer, I can't help you.
Yep, mine is 1.25". Any ideas how to display / store the pin with the ball charm? That ball charm is cool but at 1.5" it doesn't fit into the normal display cases for pins.
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Default ca. 1910 Phila. A's pennant?

Anybody here win this bad boy last month? Beautiful pennant, never seen it before. Seller described it as being from 1929-30, but I wouldn't rule out 1910, 1911 or 1913.

8.75" x 24". No maker's mark.
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Anybody here win this bad boy last month? Beautiful pennant, never seen it before. Seller described it as being from 1929-30, but I wouldn't rule out 1910, 1911 or 1913.

8.75" x 24". No maker's mark.
Saw it, very nice and a good get for someone for that price.
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I'm sure many of you have seen the 55 Brooklyn World Champions Trench knockoff. Consulting with some members on here, they look like they have some value. Any thoughts?

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I'm sure many of you have seen the 55 Brooklyn World Champions Trench knockoff. Consulting with some members on here, they look like they have some value. Any thoughts?
I’ve always felt that these were made some years ago by someone who passed them off as authentic. Don’t know for sure. They have been re-circulated by reputable auction houses, too. The 1955s BKLN and NYY scrolls were both cloth, this is felt or felt-like with subtle differences in the graphics, and for some reason the spine is sewn shut.
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Figured I’d share these color variants of an Eagles pennant The green version of this pennant is pretty common, the red is very scarce and I believe I’ve seen only one other aside from the one I own. Then a couple of months ago I added this blue variant - it’s the only one I’ve seen.
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Nice...I just audited my Eagles pennants yesterday. I only have this one in green and have only ever seen it in green.
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Great Eagles pennants.

I didn't win this but I hadn't seen this version of the 1951 ASG Pennant before. Is it a new find or just pretty rare?
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I didn't win this but I hadn't seen this version of the 1951 ASG Pennant before. Is it a new find or just pretty rare?
Very rare and one of at least FIVE All Star Game pennants from 1951, all five clearly from the same company (WGN). I own two of them pictured here, the one you show is the same design as the 1950 WGN from Comiskey.

The bottom two are other 1951s I don’t own but found pics online.
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Side note: three of the five 1951s have ‘Reynolds’ and ‘Cain’ on the AL scroll. I guess Cain is supposed to be Ferris Fain. Bob Cain was not on the AL roster. Not sure who Reynolds is, if it’s Allie he wasn’t on the roster either.

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I've had all five, but have since sold 3 of them. The 4th and 5th ones above are especially scarce.
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Thanks Greg/Mark.

For future reference if I see one of these again, what price range do you put these in (assuming the pennant is clean with the tip intact and no holes)?
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Thanks Greg/Mark.

For future reference if I see one of these again, what price range do you put these in (assuming the pennant is clean with the tip intact and no holes)?
I would speculate $450-600.
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I would speculate $450-600.
Agree.... perhaps in the higher end of that range, given the fact it might be your only crack at it.
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Anyone in here win this the other day?

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Interesting color combo - body, spine and tassels.
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Interesting color combo - body, spine and tassels.
On mine, the body and tassels match.
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Found a few nice ones today at a local card show
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Very nice indeed!

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Need some help from the group on value. I have the chance to buy this pennant and want to make sure I'm not overpaying due to my excitement. As someone who collects Tiger pennants I know how rare this pennant is but just need a reality check before I google " how to sell a vital organ", lol.
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Need some help from the group on value. I have the chance to buy this pennant and want to make sure I'm not overpaying due to my excitement. As someone who collects Tiger pennants I know how rare this pennant is but just need a reality check before I google " how to sell a vital organ", lol.
This is a very scarce pennant. I would say $1500.
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Need some help from the group on value. I have the chance to buy this pennant and want to make sure I'm not overpaying due to my excitement. As someone who collects Tiger pennants I know how rare this pennant is but just need a reality check before I google " how to sell a vital organ", lol.
“Value” really is a tough call for pennants that don’t often surface. Both supply and demand is low. There really isn’t an established record of sales in order get an accurate estimate. Best you can do is make an educated guess based on similar pennants and taking into account the teams and how rabid their collectors are.

If this was in a pure eBay auction? I’d say $1200-1500. However it is worth noting that a couple years ago this sold for about $4400 in a Clean Sweep auction. But again, if that was due to two bidders bashing each other over the head, then a second pennant that surfaces would likely sell for a lot less.
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I hope you get it, Stephen (and keep your vital organs)!
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Need some help from the group on value. I have the chance to buy this pennant and want to make sure I'm not overpaying due to my excitement. As someone who collects Tiger pennants I know how rare this pennant is but just need a reality check before I google " how to sell a vital organ", lol.
Not to argue semantics, but the only way you can overpay for something is if you can find a similar one cheaper. In this case, that would be virtually impossible. Even if it costs you an arm and a leg, you can't go wrong with this one.
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I agree with Hank. That’s the one thing that people tend to forget (and I’m guilty too) about collectibles - There is no absolute when it comes to value. Value is a magical number decided upon between a seller and a buyer. Every seller and every buyer may come up with different numbers from sale to sale to sale, depending on any number of factors.

As a seller I have to decide what is my “let it go” price and a buyer has to decide what is their “buy price”. If we do not agree on a number hopefully we can find somewhere in between.

Here’s an example - Would I sell my car for a $1.00? No. Now, would I sell my car for $1 million? Yes. Now I have a value range. Would I sell for $500,000? For $100,000? Would I sell for $20,000?

People throw around comps and eBay sold prices and such, but these are numbers decided upon by other people for their items based on their comfort level in buying and selling. That’s not me.

To me it’s no different than when people ask me why would I send a $5 card in for grading? Who says it’s a $5 card? What does it matter to anyone else what my card is worth or what I choose to do with it?

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I would agree on $1500 is fair, but if I had this for sale I think I would price it higher. It is a very tough pennant, it’s dated, and it’s very visually appealing. I don’t think 2-2500 is out of line. You also have to remember that the price on tough items 5 years ago has doubled in my opinion. The tough items that came to market over the last 20 years are completely gone now. If you really want it, and you can pick it up in this range, I say go for it.

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I suspect it may even be better than the picture shows. It kind of looks like it’s in a soft sleeve inside of a rigid holder. Maybe not, but that would be an added bonus.
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To follow up on a recent discussion about picture pennants, ASCO seemed to make a 1969 version with and without the pic insert. I have seen the Mets and Orioles with and without, the Twins only without, and have never seen a Braves and don’t think it exists. (Mark?)

The team pic is glued to the back, with a window cut out for it, just like the Trenches.
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To follow up on a recent discussion about picture pennants, ASCO seemed to make a 1969 version with and without the pic insert. I have seen the Mets and Orioles with and without, the Twins only without, and have never seen a Braves and don’t think it exists. (Mark?)

The team pic is glued to the back, with a window cut out for it, just like the Trenches.
The Twins was only made without a photo. The dated version you have for the Twins is a difficult pennant, especially in good condition because of the fabric. There was only one game at Metropolitan Stadium and the Twins lost and the series was over. All of the unsold stock of Twins pennants, they snipped the 1969 off and sold them in 1970. That is why you oftentimes see the snipped one more often. The snipped ones were common for a while as there was a find, but they have all pretty much dried up and been absorbed in to collections.

I don't believe there was ever a Braves version made either with or without the photo. Atlanta was opposite end of the country from Minnesota and the Braves lost three straight and were gone.
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The Twins was only made without a photo. The dated version you have for the Twins is a difficult pennant, especially in good condition because of the fabric. There was only one game at Metropolitan Stadium and the Twins lost and the series was over. All of the unsold stock of Twins pennants, they snipped the 1969 off and sold them in 1970. That is why you oftentimes see the snipped one more often. The snipped ones were common for a while as there was a find, but they have all pretty much dried up and been absorbed in to collections.

I don't believe there was ever a Braves version made either with or without the photo. Atlanta was opposite end of the country from Minnesota and the Braves lost three straight and were gone.
So, the ‘70 Twins have a square tip? Actually no tip? I’d love to see a picture.

Even though those pennants are kind of basic and not all that old, I like ‘em. They have a unique look (and I love the groovy ‘69 font).
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The Twins was only made without a photo. The dated version you have for the Twins is a difficult pennant, especially in good condition because of the fabric. There was only one game at Metropolitan Stadium and the Twins lost and the series was over. All of the unsold stock of Twins pennants, they snipped the 1969 off and sold them in 1970. That is why you oftentimes see the snipped one more often. The snipped ones were common for a while as there was a find, but they have all pretty much dried up and been absorbed in to collections.

I don't believe there was ever a Braves version made either with or without the photo. Atlanta was opposite end of the country from Minnesota and the Braves lost three straight and were gone.
That’s interesting, thanks for info. Rob, here’s a forked tip example to which Jason refers:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/30467328830...mis&media=COPY
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That’s interesting, thanks for info. Rob, here’s a forked tip example to which Jason refers:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/30467328830...mis&media=COPY
Ingenious....I guess.
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I agree with Hank. That’s the one thing that people tend to forget (and I’m guilty too) about collectibles - There is no absolute when it comes to value. Value is a magical number decided upon between a seller and a buyer. Every seller and every buyer may come up with different numbers from sale to sale to sale, depending on any number of factors.

As a seller I have to decide what is my “let it go” price and a buyer has to decide what is there “buy price”. If we do not agree on a number hopefully we can find somewhere in between.

Here’s an example - Would I sell my car for a $1.00? No. Now, would I sell my car for $1 million? Yes. Now I have a value range. Would I sell for $500,000? For $100,000? Would I sell for $20,000?

People throw around comps and eBay sold prices and such, but these are numbers decided upon by other people for their items based on their comfort level in buying and selling. That’s not me.

To me it’s no different than when people ask me why would I send a $5 card in for grading? Who says it’s a $5 card? What does it matter to anyone else what my card is worth or what I choose to do with it?
Agreed.

But why would you send a $5 card in for grading?

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Agreed.

But why would you send a $5 card in for grading?

Insert smiley face here.

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I know you’re joking, but I’ll answer that. I’ll send it in because other people’s thoughts on value mean nothing to me. I don’t collect for money, I collect for enjoyment. If paying $15 to slab that perceived $5 card brings me joy, so be it.
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30+ years of Santa Clara collecting and I've never seen this pennant. A member of the Vintage Football Community (VFC) saw it (and the St. Mary's) in an Oklahoma antique mall and got them for me. The Santa Clara and St. Mary's almost certainly came from the same owner, who got them at the same game (and later ended up in Oklahoma). Santa Clara and St. Mary's were rivals, playing in the "Little Big Game" every year. It would just be too random to have them shown up side by side in an OK antique mall 80+ years later.

Pretty sure they are both Epstein. I've included a pic of a similar Colgate Epstein labeled pennant at the end (not mine).
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30+ years of Santa Clara collecting and I've never seen this pennant. A member of the Vintage Football Community (VFC) saw it (and the St. Mary's) in an Oklahoma antique mall and got them for me. The Santa Clara and St. Mary's almost certainly came from the same owner, who got them at the same game (and later ended up in Oklahoma). Santa Clara and St. Mary's were rivals, playing in the "Little Big Game" every year. It would just be too random to have them shown up side by side in an OK antique mall 80+ years later.

Pretty sure they are both Epstein. I've included a pic of a similar Colgate Epstein labeled pennant at the end (not mine).
Very cool that someone snagged that for you. I wish I had eyes throughout the country!
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30+ years of Santa Clara collecting and I've never seen this pennant. A member of the Vintage Football Community (VFC) saw it (and the St. Mary's) in an Oklahoma antique mall and got them for me. The Santa Clara and St. Mary's almost certainly came from the same owner, who got them at the same game (and later ended up in Oklahoma). Santa Clara and St. Mary's were rivals, playing in the "Little Big Game" every year. It would just be too random to have them shown up side by side in an OK antique mall 80+ years later. Pretty sure they are both Epstein. I've included a pic of a similar Colgate Epstein labeled pennant at the end (not mine).
Terrific graphics on all those!
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Pretty sure they are both Epstein. I've included a pic of a similar Colgate Epstein labeled pennant at the end (not mine).
Marc: You're correct. I believe this was part of an offering I named the "kicked football series" offered by Epstein Novelty Co. during the 1940s and 1950s. For more, see https://pennantfactory.weebly.com/bl...ein-novelty-co
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Kyle, similar to your polychromatic ND pennant shown, this Cornell pennant was sold on eBay recently (although the detail is not as nice as the ND pennant). Not mine, but I know who won it. Likewise it is extremely rare, I’ve never seen another.
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Default BF3 Type 1 baseball pennants framed lot of 9

Recent purchase of a custom framed lot of 9 baseball Type 1 pennants. Wes Ferrell, Larry French, Al Lopez, Paul Waner,Bill Dickey,Joe Cronin,Rip Collins,JImmy Dykes, Joe Stripp. Some damage to a couple of ends and pin holes. Overall nice lot.
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