Stolen Card

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Posted By: RBCraik

The following card has been stolen. I won't go into the gruesome details but if it pops up on the radar screen I would greatly appreciate a heads up! It is a T206 Johnson portrait I picked up in Verkman's last auction. It has very distinctive corner rounding, all four corners, with a Piedmont 150 back. It should be readily recognizable. Thanks all.

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Posted By: tbob

Was it solen en route or after you received it?

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Posted By: dan mckee

Yes Rob, a few more details would help and a scan of the back. Thanks.

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Posted By: rbcraik

Sorry, I should have been clearer. Here is the fact pattern. I purchased and received the card at auction. I subsequently re-sold it in a non-eBay transaction. The buyer paid via Pay Pal. I mailed the card to the confirmed address via USPS Priority Mail. Exactly three days later I received a chargeback notice from Pay pal. The buyer said despite numerous unreturned emails to me, he had not received the card. I replied to the buyer but he did not return MY emails. Since the buyer lives in Pasadena I decided to pay a visit. Here is the twist. When I got there, it was a 50 unit security apartment building. The confirmed Pay Pal address had no apartment number on it. I looked up the buyer on the marquee and rang him up. Turns out despite a female Pay Pal ID the buyer was a male. He came down and was very nervous, hinky in fact. He stayed behind the security gate and told me “if I could prove he did not receive the card, he would refund my money”. He kept repeating that tack which I found unusual. He completely failed to say he did not receive; rather I needed to prove he received! In any event the card and the money are gone and Pay Pal is unsympathetic. I did not scan the reverse however, as stated, the rounding on all four corners is very distinctive, almost purposeful, and if it does show up it should be obvious. Thanks again.

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Posted By: jay behrens

Did you use delivery confirmation? This si exactly why everything I send out gets a DC attached to it.

PayPal also needs to make some serious changes to it's chargeback system. It is far too easy for someone to pull this type of scam. I'd think PayPal would be a bit more sympathetic if you have pointed out that thew full address was not disclosed on the 'verified' account.

DC is the single greatest feature the post office has ever offered and I never ship anything without it. It solves the whole issue of whether the person got the package or not.

Jay

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Posted By: Judge Dred

Paypal or ebay sympathetic??? Those schmucks encourage you to try and resolve your issues with the seller (or buyer, which ever the case may be).

This stall tactics usually ends up with one party getting shafted. Case in point - I paid for an item via paypal and the item was not received. I contacted the seller who kept telling me to be patient (new job, sick mother, you name it). By the time I had my fill of it I tried getting paypal to refund my purchase... too late, I waited too long. I contacted ebay which did nothing about it. It was past their time limit. This person sent me an email stating that he had documented proof that I signed for the package. I couldn't believe it. I sent that email to ebay to no avail. I told ebay to request the proof from the seller but it was too late.

This is what gives ebay and paypal a bad name.

Moral of the story - don't let the time limits for ebay or paypal expire before filing a claim against a non-performing seller. Paypal and ebay encourage you to resolve it with the seller. If the seller knows about the time limitation then all they have to do is stall long enough. Negative feedbacks pretty much mean NOTHING. This is one reason I think paypal and ebay suck.

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Posted By: J Levine

Rob, This one is so easy...had similar situation a few years back...

Call the Pasadena cops and file a police report. Ask them to have an officer come with you to the residence. I had a police officer come with me to the residence I had a problem with and the guy totally caved. Gave me the card back. Just the presence of a police officer often will make them a little more willing to deal. Mail fraud charges are also a must.

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Posted By: J Levine

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31719&item=5109203110&rd=1

Is this the card?

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Posted By: jay behrens

the corner wear looks real similar, but the centering on the 2 cards is different

Jay

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Posted By: tbob

Every item I send out, whether it is a $5 card or a $500 card, has a delivery confirmation attached. I'd rather pay the 55 cents myself and have piece of mind. Some buyers don't bother with insurance, even on sales in the hundreds or thousands of dollars, so I slap a d.c. on it so I can sleep nights.

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Posted By: PeterWThomas

Not the same card, similar but not the same.