eBay buyer beware - usspictor54 - 82TT Ripken

[frosejr65]

Bought a 1982 Ripken Traded SGC 8 from him. Item #325871904528. Received the card about 3 weeks ago. Opened it yesterday. The slab is bad, the label is fake, the card is fake. I filed a claim with eBay, he rejected it so I am out the money.









This is what I wrote in the return request:
"Card is not genuine. "SGC" label is obviously a photocopy, no original hologram integrated into label. Also there is evidence of either copying or tampering on the lower right corner of the label. The card itself is not genuine either, I have handled dozens over the years and have never seen a card out of focus like this one; the green on the field is very washed out, there are very fine speckles on the white borders. There is evidence of tampering and re-gluing along the sides of the slab."

This is what he wrote in response:
"Dear Buyer- this appears to be a false claim and made up attempt at a free Refund. I have not heard from you once prior to you opening a Case and the ebay money back guarantee expired after (30) days. This card was purchased several years ago at a card show from a trusted and reputable dealer. I have perfect 100% feedback and 0 Defects on my account. Further, I'm a retired US Navy Vietnam Veteran. I am respectfully going to Decline this Request. Order date was over (30) days ago during first week of November and we are now less than two weeks from Christmas. This Return seems suspicious to me. All the Best to you."

He no longer has zero defects on his record. He also has a long history of selling off-brand slabs, unlicensed cards, and other junk. Shame on me for not looking at feedback before bidding.

Links to bigger pics of above:
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[jp1216]

This is the B/S/T section - not the area to debate this.

The pictures of the eBay listed card don't match the pictures you provided of the front and label/flip. Same SGC serial number but the eBay listing shows a legit card and holder? The picture of the card back looks identical to the eBay listing. Same print dots/blemishes. Gold Hologram?

You waited 3 weeks to open the package and claim the seller slipped you a fake card and slab? Tough one to prove. Seller has sold over 5000 items on eBay.

SGC doesn't use that gold hologram anymore, right? That's weird. SGC website claims the card with that serial number was graded April 2023. I'm stumped....

https://www.ebay.com/itm/32587190452...orig_cvip=true

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by jp1216

This is the B/S/T section - not the area to debate this.

The pictures of the eBay listed card don't match the pictures you provided of the front and label/flip. Same SGC serial number but the eBay listing shows a legit card and holder? The picture of the card back looks identical to the eBay listing. Same print dots/blemishes. Gold Hologram?

You waited 3 weeks to open the package and claim the seller slipped you a fake card and slab? Tough one to prove. Seller has sold over 5000 items on eBay.

SGC doesn't use that gold hologram anymore, right? That's weird. SGC website claims the card with that serial number was graded April 2023. I'm stumped....

https://www.ebay.com/itm/32587190452...orig_cvip=true

That was the first thing I noticed. There is no way the back and front scans should be from the same slab.

[Leon]

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Originally Posted by jp1216

This is the B/S/T section - not the area to debate this.

The pictures of the eBay listed card don't match the pictures you provided of the front and label/flip. Same SGC serial number but the eBay listing shows a legit card and holder? The picture of the card back looks identical to the eBay listing. Same print dots/blemishes. Gold Hologram?

You waited 3 weeks to open the package and claim the seller slipped you a fake card and slab? Tough one to prove. Seller has sold over 5000 items on eBay.

SGC doesn't use that gold hologram anymore, right? That's weird. SGC website claims the card with that serial number was graded April 2023. I'm stumped....

https://www.ebay.com/itm/32587190452...orig_cvip=true

[savedfrommyspokes]

Hopefully you used a credit card and can initiate a claim through your card.

[raulus]

Fun 2nd post for you.

Reminds me a little of my first post, but with a little less drama.

Reading about others who have experienced disputes on eBay, the common refrain seems to be that eBay sides pretty aggressively with the buyer and not the seller. Obviously the new AG program is intended to eliminate a lot of the potential for shenanigans. But it sounds like you were under the AG limit.

I would continue to press your case with eBay. Typically they will refund you even if the seller rejects your case.