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Jeff, I get your point that the cards aren't over produced like modern cards, but I'm not thinking of mass produced as the quantity that drives the price to near zero. I'm just saying that there is enough mass that one really doesn't have to go through much effort to obtain one (I had to know someone to add a particular Bread for Health card to my collection, but I pretty easily picked up a Brown rookie from eBay for example.) And its not just the Brown, I would say almost the entire HOF rookie set (there are some high numbers and short prints in the set which is why i say almost) aren't cards that you really need to wait long before they are auctioned off. Also, I think the OP was talking more about rarity than cost prohibitiveness. I think we are pretty lucky on the football side that most mid grade cards in the HOF rookie set don't break the bank esp. when looking at comparative baseball cards (Jim Brown and Mickey Mantle were rookies in the same decade for example). The OP mentions Brown and Unitas rookies which at least a few years ago I think could be obtained for around $300 in mid-grade.
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Gentlemen, thank you for your posts.
First of all, I disagree that mass-production began in the late 1980s, because like John pointed out, there are a million 1976 Walter Payton rookies out there. I also disagree with the criteria that in order for any card to be considered mass-produced, its value has to be near to zero. America's population is huge and there will always be demand. Even the 1989 Score Barry Sanders RC brings in some money and if you lined these cards up side-by-side, you could probably circle the earth a couple of times. Now maybe I shouldn't have called the Brown and Unitas rookies mass-produced, but there are still so many of them out there, especially compared to hockey. And I don't think that you football collectors should consider yourselves "lucky" because mid-grade HOF rookies can be purchased for a few hundred. Don't you want the value of your collection to grow? A mid-grade 1958 Topps Bobby Hull RC can fetch around $2,000 and anyone who purchased it for $1,000 is obviously going to be really happy about that. Now a 1951 Parkhurst Gordie Howe RC is probably at least $3,000. These mid-grade HOF football rookies won't go up by much in value because there are too many of them out there.
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You guys make very good points. I guess in my mind I was equating the term "mass produced" with "over produced" and they are most definitely not the same thing.
Clearly cards in the states were produced at a much high rate than in Canada and ARE pretty available if you have the $$$. The difficult to find football cards typically fall into these categories in the states: 1. Pre-war sets - not all pre-war cards are scarce but some most definitely are (examples: 1926 Spalding, 1926 Pottsville Maroons RPPCs, Mayo Dunlop) 2. Scarce regional sets - those with very limited distribution and/or where some cards were distributed through unpopular products (examples: bread labels, Eskimo Pie SPs, Royal Castle SPs) 3. Grade level scarcity - high grade cards from a particular set (1963 Fleer Buoniconti, 1957 Topps Bratkowski, 1935 Chicle Nags) jeff |
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I don't want cards I own to lose value, but I can honestly say I get zero joy from thinking about the money side of the hobby. If the cards were worth what they were in Burdick's day, I don't think we'd have card doctoring, shill bidding, etc. It would be worth the tradeoff to me. Good discussion.
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John,
I agree with you. The internet completely changed the sports card industry. Other than a few oddball and limited issues, football card collecting has morphed into online shopping. Lost interest in football cards when that happened. Times have definitely changed. I remember setting up at card shows as a young kid in the early nineties. I had my 1957 Unitas and Starr cards in Nrmt condition (inside those thick screw-down plastic holders) on the table. All the other dealers at some point came by to admire them. Couple even claimed to have never seen these RCs before in person. No one was willing to pay more than Beckett High for them though. Not quite Burdick's days but still a fun time. Mark Last edited by cfhofer; 11-15-2017 at 05:52 PM. |
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That's correct. Twenty years ago, if you owned some nice cards, then all you could do was show it to the locals, and most of them probably didn't care much. Now with the Internet, you can share photos of your cards and discuss the history, the rarity, etc. with THOUSANDS of collectors around the world. You are promoting your stuff to way more people than before and this in turn creates more demand.
Funny post. Why would you lose interest? Football cards are still way cheaper than baseball and hockey. How do you think we Canadians feel when we have to spend a few thousand on a mid-grade vintage hockey rookie card? Add to that the weak CDN dollar, so we have to spend even MORE money! Baseball collectors have it even worse.
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I think Mark was getting at what you mentioned originally - it's not as interesting to collect items that you can essentially shop for.
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