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Top 5 pitchers of all time?
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
I was waiting for someone to figure out how to post the table that Brian created as I assumed that would decide who was best in comparative eras; however, obviously such a mechanism does not work perfectly as Carlos Zambrano is slotted ahead of Bob Gibson. |
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Posted By: paulstratton
Grove |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Jeff, I agree, ERA+ works less than perfectly... |
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Posted By: steve
Sidd Finch |
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Posted By: Mark Lutz
A word must be said on behalf of a guy who not only won 373 games but also served in WWI at the peak of his career. If you want dominant seasons, look at 1915 when he was 31-10, with a 1.22 era, 12 shutouts, and his era+ was 225. In 1916 he was 33-12, with a 1.55 era, 16 shutouts, and the +era was 170. |
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Posted By: Wil Jordan
Here are my top 5 |
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Posted By: Denny Walsh
This is what makes this game so Great! Opinion's of a guy who pitch 100 years ago, as to someone I saw last year. Baseball is in my blood! I'm sure you guys & gals know what I mean!!! |
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Posted By: Jason L
Nice to see that he's getting some positive attention here, after I caused a brief feather-ruffling on the Greatest Pitcher thread last week by mentioning his name. |
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Posted By: Brian
<<I was waiting for someone to figure out how to post the table that Brian created as I assumed that would decide who was best in comparative eras; however, obviously such a mechanism does not work perfectly as Carlos Zambrano is slotted ahead of Bob Gibson.>> |
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Posted By: Stephen Mitchell
Having seen only one of these great pitchers (Spahn) and only at end of his prime, this list will attempt to list the Greatest Pitchers of All-Time in order of greatness: |
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Posted By: Ken Wirt
I'm listing 10, cause that's how many I would carry on my roster! |
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Posted By: Dan P.
Due to his accused steroid use, any list including Clemens can't be valid (or at least Clemens' selection is invalid). If he is eventually cleared, then he'd be allowed to be considered on this list. My list of the 5 greatest pitchers is (in no particular order): |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Brian, I agree. What good is comparing one pither's ERA from one era to a pitcher's in another era when the relative average in the league was a full two points different? |
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Posted By: Brian
Jeff -- exactly. |
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Posted By: Joe D.
- - I just threw that one in to see if anyone was paying attention. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Ahh Craig Swan. Brings back very bittersweet memories. For some reason, I remembered him being better than his statistics indicate: Only 59 lifetime wins! The Mets were so bad that he seemed like a great pitcher in comparison I suppose. |
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Posted By: Scot York
You guys are all over the best pitchers list (Paige, Johnson, Alexander, etc...) I nominate Hall of Famer Amos Rusie as an honorable mention. After all they did move the pitchers mound back to the current 60 feet do to his blazing fastball. |
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Posted By: Mark
Good point about Rusie. The day that Mathewson died, McGraw eulogized him in the newspapers by saying that he had a curve like Nap Rucker's and a fastball like Rusie's. |
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Posted By: Bob
Speaking of curveballs, is there anyone who doesn't agree that in the modern era the best curve belonged to Bert "Be home" Blyleven? What a damn shame he is not in the Hall with all those wins for miserable teams... |
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Posted By: Phil Garry
Bob: |
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Posted By: steve
I have a VHS of the whole, entire 9 inning game footage of Nolan Ryan's 5th No-hitter in 1981 vs. Dodgers. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
I hate that Blyleven has been denied entry into the Hall just because he was short a few wins of the presumed 300-win cutoff. Makes no sense. How would Don Sutton have done on Blyleven's teams? |
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Posted By: Todd Schultz
I believe you have to wonder about Blyleven and the Hall of Fame. He really did not pitch on alot of horrible teams; in fact, more often than not his team finished .500 or better. He started with a playoff team in Minnesota that sported two HOFers and 2 others on the cusp (Kaat and Oliva). His one full year in Texas they won over 90 games, and he then went to Pittsburgh for three years and got to a World Series (88 and 83 wins the other two years). Even his forgetable four year stop in Cleveland found them over .500 in the strike year and him hurt almost all of '82 (so it wouldn't have mattered how good or bad the team was), re-joined the Twins in time for another World Series appearance, and then played in California on another 90 win team. In short, he was not a part of a bunch of hapless, perennial cellar dwellers. |
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Posted By: DaveL
Steve: |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Todd, good points. But if he had gotten the extra 13 wins he needed for 300 then what? A starter's chances for the HOF shouldn't be based on the quality of the relievers he played with who may have blown some of his wins. |
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Posted By: Jim VB
I looked at this two different ways. Looking at whole careers and looking at a snapshot in time. |
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Posted By: Todd Schultz
Blyleven had good or better relievers most of the time. Did the pen blow 13 leads for him over the course of 20 years? No doubt, but that can be said for every starter. My point is this notion that Blyleven toiled for scrubby teams is not very accurate. |
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Posted By: Todd C
1. Walter Johnson |
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Posted By: dennis
whenever i see a debate on stats/Team run support et al... (such as the blyleven debate with todd and jeff) i go to bbref.com and hit the neutralized stats......try it. |
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Posted By: Denny Walsh
Dennis, |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Dennis, where on the site is "neutralized stats?" |
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Posted By: dennis
it is under the big black pitching/hitting on the far left in brown text. |
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Posted By: Denny Walsh
Sorry Dennis if I beat you to answering Jeffs question! |
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Posted By: Denny Walsh
You Beat me, Rats..... |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
This website never ceases to amaze me. How about the feature that allows you to see what a pitcher did against a specific batter of their careers? Incredible stuff. |
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Posted By: Todd Schultz
but I'll stand by statement--the teams Bert played for were not woeful, period. |
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Posted By: dennis
i love that feature! it is addicting.also try the Pythagorean won-lost percentage on the team feature. it is amazing by runs scored vs. runs allowed you can predict a teams record. last years diamond backs really were the exception!! |
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