Show...me...your print variations!

[G1911]

1961 Topps 183 Andre Rodgers

I've always wondered what Mr. Rodgers is looking at... Anyways, blue splotch on forehead and a streaky blue mark in his jersey, directly above team box. This card is very tough, I've only seen one other, although I stopped looking for too long after finding this one.

The splotch on his neck is a pack or gum stain, not a mark

[G1911]

And here's yet another 1961 with some yellow difficulty. Note the break in the frame in the lower right by the team name box, that is filled in with yellow. 10% or so of Valo's seem to have this issue

[G1911]

Hope I haven't spammed this thread too much! 205 Bill Pierce, with green splotch above team name box. I think this is also somewhere in the 5-10% range

[G1911]

The 1967 McCormick card, the common one with the traded line, has a recurring defect with the cartoon. Note the white ink for the cartoon box is not aligned right. This is something like 25-40% of the cards, the rest are correctly aligned.

[G1911]

1961 Topps 259 Reds Team - with a misshapen bottom right corner, or a correct one. This variant is a really easy one

[G1911]

#262 Tony Curry - with blue dot on bat knob. Very easy print defect

[G1911]

270 Bob Friend comes with or without a red dot on his pitching arm. The red pixel version is rare.

[G1911]

274 Gary Bell can sometimes be found with a blue spot in the grass above the team name box.

Not sure how tough this one is, but its not common.

[G1911]

292 Jim Baumer - another tough yellow splotch defect, this one above the team name

[G1911]

289 Ray Moore - a tough one, this one with a blue splotch in a white outline by his face. Most cards don't have this defect.

[ALR-bishop]

G--- what is your first name ?

Your posts may constitute excessive variant dumping

Thanks for your contributions to the thread

[frankhardy]

Originally Posted by G1911

#75 Lindy Shows Larry. Finding pigmentation differences in common on every vintage Topps card, but this one seems to really exceed what is normal. The card can be found with both mens' pants white and light faces, or glowing red faces red pants, and red grass. Looking at my copies, I think this is more than the result of cards coming out bright or light depending on the ink levels used when the sheet was printed. Some of the red spots really shouldn't have red there in any amount, and don't on the 'correct' copies of the card. This is not a rare one to find at all, pretty easy recurring defect if this meets ones definition.

EDIT - my iPhone has a hard time picking this up, you can see it in the photo but it is truly blindingly obvious if you have both cards in person

I am a Cardinals collector, so this card concerns me. There is already a known variation with this card. One variation shows the black names at the bottom closer to "Lindy Shows Larry". You can tell by looking at the "L" in "Larry" underneath the "w" in "Shows". One variation is much closer than the other.

While looking at them now, the card with the black names closest has the pants more reddish with the reddish faces. The other one is more of normal color. I am thinking that this will be consistent with every card. In other words, I am predicting that you won't find the "reddish" coloring on a card with the black letters lower and further way from the white letters. I would love for someone to confirm.

[ALR-bishop]

I was aware of the spacing issue you mention Shane. There was a seller on eBay pointing them out on several 61 cards. Does anyone know if the Lindy/Larry card is a DP ?

[G1911]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

G--- what is your first name ?

Your posts may constitute excessive variant dumping

Thanks for your contributions to the thread

I think just about every card has some variant if we look hard enough, but 61's really seem to have a ton of minor print issues. Every time I look through my set, I find a few more and I know there's a ton out there others know about and I haven't spotted.

Anyone know of an available checklist of the 50's/60's Topps sets? I'm building mine from my personal lists I'm adding in here and what's in this thread

- Greg

[G1911]

Originally Posted by frankhardy

I am a Cardinals collector, so this card concerns me. There is already a known variation with this card. One variation shows the black names at the bottom closer to "Lindy Shows Larry". You can tell by looking at the "L" in "Larry" underneath the "w" in "Shows". One variation is much closer than the other.

While looking at them now, the card with the black names closest has the pants more reddish with the reddish faces. The other one is more of normal color. I am thinking that this will be consistent with every card. In other words, I am predicting that you won't find the "reddish" coloring on a card with the black letters lower and further way from the white letters. I would love for someone to confirm.

I did not know about this cropping variation on the card; your prediction makes perfect sense though, as the red in this card really doesn't look like the result of different ink levels when printing. I guess this isn't really a new one after all! Thank you

[G1911]

Fergie's 1973 card has a thin blue line beneath the team name on some (not all) miscue cards. I presume it's some sort of alignment mark from the sheet

[G1911]

A couple more I noticed recently but have not seen a "corrected" copy, may be a defect throughout the entire print run.\

1972 Gary Peters #503 - grass goes into the yellow frame at bottom

1972 Duane Josephson #543 - red and blue lines through jersey underneath armpit

1973 Bobby Grich #418 -"Homers" in write up on back has almost the entirety of the "r" missing

1973 Bobby Valentine #502 - "acquired" on back is missing half of the "I"

[G1911]

1973 Topps 564 Mike Thompson - red dot on arm, blue squiggle next to it, white spot in grass, and a second little blue dot on arm by the red dot. Seems to be an all or nothing defect, not sure how scarce but definitely not common.

[G1911]

1973 Topps #570 Bill Singer - another questionable red oddity. The red circle behind the position logo is smeared at the top, the clouds have a clear red color to them, and his jersey has smears of red as well. I've seen a couple others like this. "dark/light" red exists on every card in every set of the era, but this one also seems to be more than the result of more or less ink during that particular sheets run. The clouds especially, as there should be no red ink in that area at all.

[G1911]

1972 Topps 535 Ed Brinkman - this one has a variation where Brinkman has a giraffe's neck. Just kidding, actually there is a blue dot in a white circle in the upper right by his cap. Maybe 15% of cards have it.

[G1911]

1972 Topps #766 Steve Hamilton - white slash through "C" in cap, and a red dot near the bottom. I think this one is pretty hard to locate

[G1911]

1972 #507 Fred Gladding - red dot above last "g" in "Gladding"

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by G1911

Fergie's 1973 card has a thin blue line beneath the team name on some (not all) miscue cards. I presume it's some sort of alignment mark from the sheet

That's what it is, Jenkins was the middle card on the bottom row of the sheet, a perfect spot for an alignment mark.

[ALR-bishop]

The 73 Jenkins can also be found with black dot in left front border glove high and a blue dot on his uniform under his left wrist, the latter is pretty scarce

[G1911]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

The 73 Jenkins can also be found with black dot in left front border glove high and a blue dot on his uniform under his left wrist, the latter is pretty scarce

Never noticed those, I'm off to shop for more Fergie's!

[G1911]

And Hector Lopez #532 in the 1965 set can be found with a bold yellow line in bottom border - pretty common.

[G1911]

1970 Topps #18 Carlos May. Bright white line that can't be missed at bottom - presumably a card on the bottom row of the sheet. The placement looks like that any May card in this slot on the sheet that is even a tiny bit off center will show the line

[G1911]

Originally Posted by G1911

1961 Topps 183 Andre Rodgers

I've always wondered what Mr. Rodgers is looking at... Anyways, blue splotch on forehead and a streaky blue mark in his jersey, directly above team box. This card is very tough, I've only seen one other, although I stopped looking for too long after finding this one.

The splotch on his neck is a pack or gum stain, not a mark

Updating this, I found a blue jersey mark, no forehead mark version in a dupe box

[G1911]

1961 Topps Russ Kemmerer - noticed a brightly colored splotch near his head. I have 11 copies of this card, only this one has the mark for whatever that's worth

[G1911]

1961 Topps #71 Jerry Adair - I have 4 copies of this card, all with a moving red dot (a single pixel) at bottom above the name box, that appears to shift slightly from card to card. One of them has a yellow slash as well

[G1911]

I know there has been discussion and some of the 1961 "green in baseball" cards are officially recognized - please forgive me if this one is already known! Joe Amalfitano

[G1911]

1961 Topps #82 Joe Christopher - red pixel next to face. I'm fairly convinced that pretty much every card in the first series of the 61 set has a variant with a single red pixel on it somewhere

[G1911]

1961 Topps Bob Bruce with the single red pixel that Topps apparently added as a "Where's Waldo?" type game to the first series.

[G1911]

1961 Topps #86 - two white slash marks above the "A" in "Angeles", and with yellow ink in the white team letters, misaligned presumably from the colors layered to create the red.

[G1911]

61 Topps #277 Hank Foiles - with and without yellow square in corner of team name box

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by G1911

I know there has been discussion and some of the 1961 "green in baseball" cards are officially recognized - please forgive me if this one is already known! Joe Amalfitano

No, congratulations, that's a new one to the list.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

No, congratulations, that's a new one to the list.

I took another look through my dupes, and it looks like my other Amalfitano has a slightly different green-in-card-number-ball, with a lighter green ink that doesn't advance as high into the baseball. I need to go pick up a regular copy now, which seems to be more common looking at comc and eBay

[G1911]

#161 Sherman Jones - unmissable yellow dot in the team name box. This card is frequently found with small yellow fisheye print dots that plague every vintage Topps card in a hundred different ways; but it can on occasion be found with a full variant dot like this.

[G1911]

1961 Topps #386 Joe Hicks
Bottom - no dots
2nd from bottom - red dot in bottom right corner
Top - blue dot and red dot in bottom frame

[steve B]

Originally Posted by G1911

I took another look through my dupes, and it looks like my other Amalfitano has a slightly different green-in-card-number-ball, with a lighter green ink that doesn't advance as high into the baseball. I need to go pick up a regular copy now, which seems to be more common looking at comc and eBay

The top card shows exactly what these are, registration problems.

On the top one you can see the green under the black, and it's almost up to the lettering at the right.
On the other, black is printed higher in relation to the green, so the arc where the green is relieved to make room for the number area isn't as visible.

They should happen on all cards in the same series, if not the entire set.

Ones where the green isn't a smooth arc are something else.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by G1911

1970 Topps #18 Carlos May. Bright white line that can't be missed at bottom - presumably a card on the bottom row of the sheet. The placement looks like that any May card in this slot on the sheet that is even a tiny bit off center will show the line

It's not from a sheet edge.
I've only really done the first series so far, and I believe that sort of line is some kind of cutting guideline. Some are white like that, some are black or gray.
Nearly all cards in series 1 have a line of some sort, many have multiple different lines.
There are also cards that come both with and without the line.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by steve B

It's not from a sheet edge.
I've only really done the first series so far, and I believe that sort of line is some kind of cutting guideline. Some are white like that, some are black or gray.
Nearly all cards in series 1 have a line of some sort, many have multiple different lines.
There are also cards that come both with and without the line.

I've seen the line on some others, but the uncut sheets I've seen only had printing marks along the four edges, not between every row. I'd always assumed these were the cards on the border, and the cutting mark was only placed there. If it was under every row, any card even slightly off-center top/bottom would show this line, looking at where it is placed on this card?

[steve B]

Originally Posted by G1911

I've seen the line on some others, but the uncut sheets I've seen only had printing marks along the four edges, not between every row. I'd always assumed these were the cards on the border, and the cutting mark was only placed there. If it was under every row, any card even slightly off-center top/bottom would show this line, looking at where it is placed on this card?

Yes, top and bottom. It may not be very card, but it's pretty close. I need to either find my list or rewrite it so I can post it. I was working on the first series for a while, but didn't really keep after it.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by steve B

Yes, top and bottom. It may not be very card, but it's pretty close. I need to either find my list or rewrite it so I can post it. I was working on the first series for a while, but didn't really keep after it.

I don’t doubt they can be found on near every card. If the line is between every row on the sheet, then any copy of any card that is off center top to bottom would show the line. Most top to bottom off center cards don’t show the line however, so I think this line was not on all the sheets between every row. Otherwise, all these off center cards would have them in the same location

[steve B]

Originally Posted by G1911

I don’t doubt they can be found on near every card. If the line is between every row on the sheet, then any copy of any card that is off center top to bottom would show the line. Most top to bottom off center cards don’t show the line however, so I think this line was not on all the sheets between every row. Otherwise, all these off center cards would have them in the same location

That is correct. They usually don't show on well centered cards. And they aren't on every sheet. And the line can be different, so it changed at times. (I also had consistent copies of several of the lines, so if there are two different lines that's a genuine difference.

[brob28]

Not necessarily a variation, but interesting look due to the lack of black on this pass.

[Exhibitman]

Now that Bevans is the real deal. Blackless is beautiful.



With all due respect, guys, a stray print booger here or there is amateur stuff. Let's see some f***ups!

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

With all due respect, guys, a stray print booger here or there is amateur stuff. Let's see some f***ups!

Not mine, I wish it was. ETA, someone posted it on CU a few years ago, said he pulled it out of a pack in 1970 and has it to this day.

[brob28]

This one is tame compared to those two.

[ALR-bishop]

At least we know who those two guys are