How do you see the market 10yrs from now

[irv]

This Mays, although a 9, looks like it will do very well.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/401285276004...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Never seen a nicer, Runnels, that I can remember, but this one also looks like it will end very well.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/351996654845...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

I am curious where this Mantle is going to end up, and if the current PWCC Dimaggio situation will affect prices any? (I am guessing not, by the looks of things)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/142300324567...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

[EYECOLLECTVINTAGE]

Originally Posted by irv

This Mays, although a 9, looks like it will do very well.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/401285276004...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Never seen a nicer, Runnels, that I can remember, but this one also looks like it will end very well.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/351996654845...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

I am curious where this Mantle is going to end up, and if the current PWCC Dimaggio situation will affect prices any? (I am guessing not, by the looks of things)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/142300324567...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Ok I need to call bullshit. 150k for that mays with 7 days left? None is gonna bid that card up that fast. That's so fake. Every time I use vintagecardprices.com there is always card "a" selling on average for let's say 50 and then OECD sold one for 110. something is so so so shady and off. Thoughts?

[irv]

Originally Posted by EYECOLLECTVINTAGE

Ok I need to call bullshit. 150k for that mays with 7 days left? None is gonna bid that card up that fast. That's so fake. Every time I use vintagecardprices.com there is always card "a" selling on average for let's say 50 and then OECD sold one for 110. something is so so so shady and off. Thoughts?

Surprisingly, not a lot of bid retractions with the current lot of bidders.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by EYECOLLECTVINTAGE

Ok I need to call bullshit. 150k for that mays with 7 days left? None is gonna bid that card up that fast. That's so fake. Every time I use vintagecardprices.com there is always card "a" selling on average for let's say 50 and then OECD sold one for 110. something is so so so shady and off. Thoughts?

PWCC auctions, as I have said many times, do not behave like other auctions. And this is one way they don't -- big cards get bid up out of the gate real fast and real high.

[ALR-bishop]

If I can still see my cards 10 years from now I will be happy whatever the market may look like

[brian1961]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

If I can still see my cards 10 years from now I will be happy whatever the market may look like

You got that right, Mr. Richter.

I'm currently in the middle of watching the actual television broadcast of the 7th game of the 1952 World Series, with Mel Allen and Red Barber at the mic. Truly, that series was one of the greatest of all-time. I don't know why I waited so long to treat myself to this. By the way, the game is available anytime anyone wishes to see it on YOUTUBE.

---Brian Powell

[Bestdj777]

Originally Posted by brian1961

You got that right, Mr. Richter.

I'm currently in the middle of watching the actual television broadcast of the 7th game of the 1952 World Series, with Mel Allen and Red Barber at the mic. Truly, that series was one of the greatest of all-time. I don't know why I waited so long to treat myself to this. By the way, the game is available anytime anyone wishes to see it on YOUTUBE.

---Brian Powell

Don't want to ruin it for you, but Mantle gets a home run in that one (I need to watch the game as I am lucky enough to own a game used ball from it and from game 6).

As for cards, who knows what the market will be in 10 years. Hopefully good if I am selling and bad if I am buying.

[JTysver]

Let me clarify slightly for the common man.

I had been buying lots of mid grade and up of commons and semi-stars (with an occasional star thrown in for the last few years.
Two years or so ago I could buy a lot of cards from the early to mid 60s pretty commonly for about 40-50 cents or less per card. These are consistently going for 70 cents and up now. I have seen some 300 card lots go for $400.

Essentially, I believe the market for vintage cards is more competitive than it was 3 or 4 years ago. I can't give a fair reason why, but it's becoming obvious that some of the common prices are rising.

As well, cards in the mid 70s all the way up to the mid 80s are going for more as people are seeking cards in high grade to slab.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

If I can still see my cards 10 years from now I will be happy whatever the market may look like

LMAO, I'm with you!!

[Rookiemonster]

Does anyone know if there is any 9 year old treads on this topic ?

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

If I can still see my cards 10 years from now I will be happy whatever the market may look like

Not bad, Al--I like it! Seriously, I would expect that the truly rare and significant vintage will continue to do quite well; the overpriced investor market for top-end PSA 9's and 10's will have come down quite a bit when our new investor "buddies" learn that there is not an endless supply of true collectors [or new investors coming in to the market] who are willing to pay 5-10X or more what such a card is worth; and the new card market for the most recent phenoms will continue to surge, while those current players that are proven to have been overpriced with the passage of time will drop from their current price levels like wingless birds out of the sky!

Above all else, however, may your collecting bring you joy!

Larry

[Zach Wheat]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

PWCC auctions, as I have said many times, do not behave like other auctions. And this is one way they don't -- big cards get bid up out of the gate real fast and real high.

That makes 2 of us Al-R. I do believe there is price manipulation with some sellers - but I also agree with Peter that the bidding history in PWCC auctions does not particularly follow that of other auctions. They have a good following and many buyers will pay a premium for the service that they provide.

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by Zach Wheat

buyers will pay a premium for the service that they provide.

Outside of allowing 90 days to settle your account on higher dollar cards through either cash or consignments, what other services do they provide that other sellers on ebay or AHs do not?

[Zach Wheat]

Some buyers will pay a premium for purchasing cards from a well known eBay seller with a track record & history of selling legit cards.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Zach Wheat

Some buyers will pay a premium for purchasing cards from a well known eBay seller with a track record & history of selling legit cards.

Lots of folks in that category but their auctions dont fly out of the gate.

[Stampsfan]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

Outside of allowing 90 days to settle your account on higher dollar cards through either cash or consignments, what other services do they provide that other sellers on ebay or AHs do not?

They can turn SGC 4's into PSA 7's.

[EYECOLLECTVINTAGE]

:d:d:d:d:d:d:d:d:d

Originally Posted by stampsfan

they can turn sgc 4's into psa 7's.

[Neal]

Originally Posted by Stampsfan

They can turn SGC 4's into PSA 7's.

ba dum dum!

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by EYECOLLECTVINTAGE

Ok I need to call bullshit. 150k for that mays with 7 days left? None is gonna bid that card up that fast. That's so fake. Every time I use vintagecardprices.com there is always card "a" selling on average for let's say 50 and then OECD sold one for 110. something is so so so shady and off. Thoughts?

You should sign in and check recent prices before you make an accusation like that. 150k would be a place holder bid on that card. Recent sales range from 310k to almost 500k.

[irv]

Originally Posted by irv

This Mays, although a 9, looks like it will do very well.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/401285276004...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Never seen a nicer, Runnels, that I can remember, but this one also looks like it will end very well.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/351996654845...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

I am curious where this Mantle is going to end up, and if the current PWCC Dimaggio situation will affect prices any? (I am guessing not, by the looks of things)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/142300324567...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Any thoughts on the above posted links and how they finished?

Is the Mays higher/lower than previous sales, is the Runnels a new high, and what's everyone's thoughts on how the Mantle finished?

Personally, I don't recall seeing some of the prices that were realized with some of lowered numbered 52 Topps cards, but maybe I haven't been around long enough?

[Beastmode]

Originally Posted by irv

Any thoughts on the above posted links and how they finished?

Is the Mays higher/lower than previous sales, is the Runnels a new high, and what's everyone's thoughts on how the Mantle finished?

Personally, I don't recall seeing some of the prices that were realized with some of lowered numbered 52 Topps cards, but maybe I haven't been around long enough?

The Mays sold for $235K, about $100k under the average. This same card/same cert, was bought on Heritage for $382K seven months ago. Ouch, someone took it on the chin here. Although at Heritage it's entirely legal to shill and retract bids, so I would personally never use their sales data.

In full disclosure, I love this card. Possibly my favorite card of all time, with his '53 a close second.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Beastmode

The Mays sold for $235K, about $100k under the average. This same card/same cert, was bought on Heritage for $382K seven months ago. Ouch, someone took it on the chin here. Although at Heritage it's entirely legal to shill and retract bids, so I would personally never use their sales data.

In full disclosure, I love this card. Possibly my favorite card of all time, with his '53 a close second.

Without making it to your, "About seven months ago" part, I was thinking, I bet this card sold last summer.

Hopefully the $147,000, that the previous owner lost, is like pocket change to him?
I was thinking and wondering how the $80,000 Koufax, that sold last year was doing, then I found a PSA 9 that sold at Heritage for $215,000 with the BP. Never heard about that one? I believe there are now 3 PSA 10's on the market, but maybe that number has already changed?

[Jdoggs]

Originally Posted by irv

Without making it to your, "About seven months ago" part, I was thinking, I bet this card sold last summer.

Hopefully the $147,000, that the previous owner lost, is like pocket change to him?
I was thinking and wondering how the $80,000 Koufax, that sold last year was doing, then I found a PSA 9 that sold at Heritage for $215,000 with the BP. Never heard about that one? I believe there are now 3 PSA 10's on the market, but maybe that number has already changed?

PSA 8 Koufax rookies are now selling for around $10k each.

[Johnny630]

This recent sale of the 52 PSA 9 Mays for the 100k+ loss is a signal to me that the big investors might slow their short term, less then 1 year, exposure for 9's. Idk this is interesting and educational to watch for sure :-)

[buymycards]

I may be wrong, but I would think that the vast majority of the members of Net54 don't give a hoot about "The Market". We collect cards, maybe sell a few cards, and we are very happy with our lower grade collections. We enjoy the chase, and we collect cards that are meaningful to us. I think most of us sell our excess cards so we can use the money to buy more cards for our personal collections. As far as what a 52 PSA 3 Mantle will be worth 10 years down the road - I don't care.

Rick